Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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petersaxton said:
You've made that up haven't you?
None of that is true. We have to negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. You make out that joining the EU is a one way street - you are in and you can never leave. Now we can make decisions in the best interests of the country. If the EU sells more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU then the EU should be paying us for the benefit of such a deal. I dont see any reason why we would agree to free movement of labour in any trade deal. The TTIP agreement being made with the USA doesn't insist on free movement of labour between the EU and USA.
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The best interests of the country. Jesús. The best interest of the country is to remain part of a strong union and try to reform not seperate oursekves which will surely divide us and Scotland causing more uncertainty. We may get our sovereignty but we will by no means be better off.
 
Old Tige said:
As I suggested earlier, you don't seem to recognise that education and intelligence are two different things.

Ironic when your own attitude illustrates that distinction very clearly.
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That's strange. I think everything I have said shows that I know that education and intelligence were two different things. This is exactly why IQ tests don't require any prior knowledge so you can't be educated to pass them. You can improve your chances to pass exams by education. It's not exactly rocket science so you acting all superior because you think you know something that very people don't know makes me laugh.
The scholarships that Boris Johnson won are thought to require a high degree of intelligence. It's quite easy to devise questions which are not easy to pass by simple cramming.
I think your inability to realise that I know the difference between education and intelligence indicates all I need to know about your IQ and education.
 
brownbagtiger said:
statistics breaking down the proportions of votes along age and education (which is not the same as intelligence) are neutral facts and not a value judgement.
And just what do Brexiters think will happen differently now for those examples? And who are you going to blame when nothing changes?

Look, I get the argument that this is a protest vote, I think one of the best explanations I've read so far is http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

There are huge areas of post-industrial decline and neglect where people are more furious than Cameron and his ilk could possibly understand, areas where any kind of antiestablishment rabble-rousing sounds like a clarion call. In depressed mountain villages and knackered seaside towns and burned-out former factory heartlands across the country, ordinary people were promised that for once, their vote would matter, that they could give the powers that be a poke in the eye. Westminster may have underestimated how very much it is hated by those to whom mainstream politics have not spoken in generations.

But honestly, when you've got over the laughing and pointing and shouting "loser" at us, what do you think is going to happen?
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Laurie Penny, ffs.
I'm delighted she's upset. GIRFUY Laurie.
 
MadridTiger said:
The best interests of the country. Jesús. The best interest of the country is to remain part of a strong union and try to reform not seperate oursekves which will surely divide us and Scotland causing more uncertainty. We may get our sovereignty but we will by no means be better off.
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Cameron gambled on reform, it wasn't forthcoming, now they want us gone quickly to avoid contagion, we will be better off out eventually after riding the storm, the British don't panic, we keep calm and we carry on unlike the latin Tigers.
 
MadridTiger said:
The best interests of the country. Jesús. The best interest of the country is to remain part of a strong union and try to reform not seperate oursekves which will surely divide us and Scotland causing more uncertainty. We may get our sovereignty but we will by no means be better off.
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Did you get to vote?
 
originalminority said:
Cameron gambled on reform, it wasn't forthcoming, now they want us gone quickly to avoid contagion, we will be better off out eventually after riding the storm, the British don't panic, we keep calm and we carry on unlike the latin Tigers.
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Really. I truly doubt it. Riding out the storm? This will only unite European countries and now they have the opportunity to make an example out of us
 
Old Tige said:
You don't know what you are talking about.

If you think you do, why not tell me where you think it has been tried and shown to be bollocks?


I was describing direct democracy.. It has rarely been tried in practice primarily as the established powers fear it so mutch. Whenever it has been established, it is promptly stamped upon by state powers who fear their own populations realising that they don't need to tolerate the dictatorship of an exploitative state governed by a self serving elite. .

See Spain 1936 when the establishment of no state, direct democracy resulted in improvements in many aspects of life for the population before it was wiped out by the totalitarianism of Franco. Ably assisted by the Nazis while the rest of the so called democracies of Europe turned a blind eye to the slaughter.
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No you don't know what you are talking about. The Spanish Civil War was fought between the Communists and Franco and the rest of Europe did bugger all about it because they didn't want Communist ideals exported from Russia.
 
MadridTiger said:
The best interests of the country. Jesús. The best interest of the country is to remain part of a strong union and try to reform not seperate oursekves which will surely divide us and Scotland causing more uncertainty. We may get our sovereignty but we will by no means be better off.
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I know you may wanted to make the decision all by yourself but to be honest the country didn't trust your judgement so they went for a more democratic option. The democratic decision of the country was to leave the EU. I know some people will be upset by that but they just have to take a deep breath and accept it.
 
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