Off Topic BREXIT

[Brucebones]

You buy a delorean and take it up to 85mph.

88 mph!

 

[BrAdY]

even though yknow.. i findi t FUNNY as **** that fellow scots are raging that 'england' swept us out of the eu.. ****ING VOTED TO STAY IN THE UK YOU UTTER ****S

 

[Happy Tiger]

Uh oh.

The drunken Scotch is posting.

Time for bed.

 

[tigerrev]

in or out, it doesnt really matter now.
this UK isnt very united at the moment.
Italy, France and a few others want to hold a referendum of their own. I cant imagine Germany liking it.

The Dutch and the Belgians will be pressing for their own referendums soon

 

[tigerrev]

I blame all the celebs who thought they could sway public opinion. People like flakey Eddie Izzard...Walking biscuit-tin Beckham, Yob Geldof...Lets be fair we all voted Leave just to piss'em off.

I think Bozzer and Cameron should have played Paper, Scissors, Stone and saved us all that ****

Not only celebs but "experts" in banking, business etc - you know those who were in control when the financial crash happened...
Truth is people don't trust any of them anymore - and they certainly aren't going to tell the man on the street what to do or how to vote.

 

[BrAdY]

Uh oh.

The drunken Scotch is posting.

Time for bed.

not drunk. i just find it funny

i am very pro UK

 

[GLP]

From a social point of view, the people who went through uni, were educated and put thought into their vote mostly chose to remain. The forklift drivers, builders and unemployed people chose to leave, citing things such as "bloody immigrants", "taking our country back" and "£350 million a week back into our economy". Not an accurate cross section of voters by any means, but have a look at your own social media using the same criteria and see if it matches up.

Sorry, but what you have written is utter ****ing bollocks. I have a degree, I'm a higher rate tax payer and I voted leave.

Many people from a variety of higher socio economic groups voted leave. I'd say that 90% of the people I know voted leave from Company directors to business entrepreneurs.

I can't believe the ****e some people write.

 

[GLP]

Thats a ****ing ****ty thing to say. I'm both of those people, educated and went through Uni and also an ex labourer not even a tradesman. Andi tell you what the uneducated labourers i used to share a lobby with 20 years ago were just as thoughtful and intelligent on the whole as the people i share an office with now.

100% agree with you Chazz.

Sterling's post is totally out of order. Like the rest of the remain campaigners that are weeping away and having a pop at everyone.

Facebook is awash with the idiots. Seems there's a few on here too. I take exception to his comments.

 

[BrAdY]

Sorry, but what you have written is utter ****ing bollocks. I have a degree, I'm a higher rate tax payer and I voted leave.

Many people from a variety of higher socio economic groups voted leave. I'd say that 90% of the people I know voted leave from Company directors to business entrepreneurs.

I can't believe the ****e some people write.

someone close to me is a manager of a huge company that is in the £millions in profit and he voted leave.. sterling man that post was ridiculous.. that's the sort of post that makes patriotism wrong in england.. because it's 'only the uneducated' that wave the english flag and want out the EU.

this is why i haven't really commented on here, i am not partial to political debates because they can turn friend to foe in a blink of an eye

 

[BrAdY]

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[dennisboothstash]

Well thats a turn up for the books.
Daryll Hannah one of the main leave campaigners has just said on newsnight that they want free movement of labour in europe and the UK.

Not that surprising though. As far as I can see there aren't many options from here, and some include free movement exactly as it is now so he'll want his options open
1. We stay in the EU due to the referendum only being advisory rather than binding like other referenda
2. We join the thing that Norway are part of where we pay 85% of what we paid before, abide by the rules, including free movement, but don't get to vote on the rules
3. We invoke Article 50 (?) and start negotiating a deal that can only be put in place by all 27 countries agreeing to it, and presumably they'll be stingy to dissuade others leaving. Some leave campaigners don't seem to want that option yet at least as its skewed against leavers
4. We try and negotiate outside of the Article, but I think they all have to agree and probably won't
5. Others vote to leave and then the agreements all become easier because others want to do it too, but it could still be vetoed by some

Whatever it's going to be an interesting few years

 

[DMD]

Looking around a lot of foreign news feeds, the vote is getting a fair amount of credit and support from people and groups in many other EU countries, who are generally expressing the same issues. Sweden, Germany, France,Czech, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain are some that are pressing for referendums.

I didn't appreciate how widespread and deep the feeling was across Europe. A dislike of the dictatorial, unrepresentative and undemocratic nature of the parliament seems to be at least something that unites Europe. The EU commissioners must have their heads up their arse to have ignored these concerns.

As a bonus, it puts a small spanner in the works of the TTIP plans.

 

[petersaxton]

Farage is the leader of a party with one ****ing MP, he is in control of nothing. How the **** does anyone seriously think he could play any part in deciding how the government he has nothing to do with could decide to spend our money?

He didn't even make the claim.

 

[tigerrev]

Looking around a lot of foreign news feeds, the vote is getting a fair amount of credit and support from people and groups in many other EU countries, who are generally expressing the same issues. Sweden, Germany, France,Czech, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain are some that are pressing for referendums.

I didn't appreciate how widespread and deep the feeling was across Europe. A dislike of the dictatorial, unrepresentative and undemocratic nature of the parliament seems to be at least something that unites Europe. The EU commissioners must have their heads up their arse to have ignored these concerns.

As a bonus, it puts a small spanner in the works of the TTIP plans.

I remember a poll in Germany a few years back now saying how the majority wanted the deutschmark back instead of the euro as they felt totally ripped off by the currency change. The whole EU project could be on the verge of unravelling

 

[petersaxton]

Not that surprising though. As far as I can see there aren't many options from here, and some include free movement exactly as it is now so he'll want his options open
1. We stay in the EU due to the referendum only being advisory rather than binding like other referenda
2. We join the thing that Norway are part of where we pay 85% of what we paid before, abide by the rules, including free movement, but don't get to vote on the rules
3. We invoke Article 50 (?) and start negotiating a deal that can only be put in place by all 27 countries agreeing to it, and presumably they'll be stingy to dissuade others leaving. Some leave campaigners don't seem to want that option yet at least as its skewed against leavers
4. We try and negotiate outside of the Article, but I think they all have to agree and probably won't
5. Others vote to leave and then the agreements all become easier because others want to do it too, but it could still be vetoed by some

Whatever it's going to be an interesting few years

1 I can't see that happening
2 No UK government will agree to any deal that involves allowing free movement between EU and UK.
3-5 The EU doesnt need all 27 countries to agree to trade deals.

 

[DMD]

I remember a poll in Germany a few years back now saying how the majority wanted the deutschmark back instead of the euro as they felt totally ripped off by the currency change. The whole EU project could be on the verge of unravelling

Belgium's another country where there could be a call for a referendum. The EU leaders seem to be leaning towards deals for us that deter other states from leaving. The Belgian PM was decidedly forceful, which could come back and bite him on the arse.

Merkel seems to be the one trying to be patient.

 

[petersaxton]

Is there really anyone on here looking forward to a future Government, run by the likes of Johnson, Gove, Duncan-Smith, Farage and essentially Murdoch?
Biggest bunch of right-wing power mongers since the Third Reich.
At least they'll be on great terms with the likes of Marine Le Pen, who will no doubt benefit from this result.

Has twitter started posting here?

 

[petersaxton]

Belgium's another country where there could be a call for a referendum. The EU leaders seem to be leaning towards deals for us that deter other states from leaving. The Belgian PM was decidedly forceful, which could come back and bite him on the arse.

Merkel seems to be the one trying to be patient.

Don't take any notice of people's reactions in the few hours after their cosy world collapses.

 

[petersaxton]

I'm sure people had reasons to vote. Some of them would have been genuine. But many of the voters I imagine were led by what they were told by both sides by campaigns that contained an awful lot of bullshit. So instead of doing the reasonable thing and researching both arguments they went along with whatever suited them personally. It's nothing to do with condascention and I resent you calling me out on that for simply stating my views on the matter.

From a social point of view, the people who went through uni, were educated and put thought into their vote mostly chose to remain. The forklift drivers, builders and unemployed people chose to leave, citing things such as "bloody immigrants", "taking our country back" and "£350 million a week back into our economy". Not an accurate cross section of voters by any means, but have a look at your own social media using the same criteria and see if it matches up.

So these people in low skilled jobs are the ones that I think the campaigns were targeted at, people who have an over reliance on the media because they won't look things up for themselves out of fear or laziness. All it takes is one outlet to be labelled a "danger to society" and whichever campaign backs that will get the vote. It's a cowardly and derisive strategy that prayed on a lot of weak willed people. It's exactly what Donald Trump is doing in America right now.

Speaking of Trump, he welcomed our decision to leave the EU with open arms. So it must've been a good idea. That's some endorsement that is.

Researching both arguments? Are you being serious? Is there some body of research which will enable people to decide how to vote?
For me the big issues were sovereignty and immigration. I never believed anybody who told us what the situation would be in 2030.
One of the big problems with the country has been a lack of education. People have been to university and don't know how to work out 10% without using a calculator. All these people who get "educated" end up working in shops or fast food outlets.
If you judge whether something is a good idea by whether one person agrees with it or not then that shows the weakness in your own thought processes.

 

[petersaxton]

Who the **** is Andi? Sounds like a drag queen.

Gaylord.

I voted out. I'm also educated. And senior management. And well paid. And friends and family with all sorts of people of different origin. I've also in the past worked in kitchens, gardens and have worked ****ing hard to get where I am today.

I didn't vote based on immigration. Yes it was a factor, I want control back over who we can let in and who we can kick the **** out. It's also about the faceless, unelected, unaccountable Eurocrats, who dictate more to our lives than the Remainers would like to acknowledge. 4 presidents they have. 4 ffs. I'd hazard a guess that even our intellectually superior Sterling can tell us who they are without googling them.

It was a good idea at the start, with the best of intentions. It's been twisted and deformed into a horrible monster now that wanted to consume the whole of Europe, stripping nations of their right to self determination.

We've, once again, shown the world how to do the right thing. We've stopped this behemoth in it's tracks, other nations will now follow us and retrieve their dignity and the right to look after their own people.

I just wish the Remainers could show a little dignity and appreciation of what democracy actually means.

You think people like Bob Geldof understands dignity and democracy?