Match Day Thread Brendan Rodgers v Jurgen

I wonder if it was Jurgen Klopp facing Chelsea at Anfield and league leaders win or at least get a draw and beat Palace and eventually won the title.

 

That's a fairly detailed list, not sure I agree with it but don't feel like going through it one for one

I think we can agree on Klopp knowing better how to utilise certain players and that for sure is a sign of a good coach - Rodgers had his bag of pick and mix and wasn't sure why he'd put some of them in there. Klopp only buys the ones he knows he likes. That way there's no bitter after taste - or less likelihood.

 

To be fair, he wasn't the one identifying players at Dortmund.

 

Agreed but that's not his job.

 

Totally true, mostly.

I firmly do not believe that klopp didn't pick players at dortmund at all. I don't believe anything of the sort occurs outside of a very few megalomaniac clubs like real.

All coaches pick players and get involved in the process. No coach would sit there and turn up at pre-season day gone a day say right who do we have this year Then? No klopp has been quoted several timing talking about player discussions at dortmund.

Anyway, that aside you are right. Nobody can go do everything in the modern game, scouting, contracts, coaching etc etc... its impossible. Of course people did research and studied players for the decision process. A manager could never work if he could not trust their judgement on a players character and skills.

 

That sums it up nicely. Of course Klopp will see certain players he's interested in and sets in motion whatever needs to be set in motion to bring them in but it isn't his job to go pick players out.

 

It'd be like expecting the senior vp of r&d to be hiring line operators one day and the next auditing the end of quarter accounts.

Everyone has a job but the 1st team manager is top of the pile and no way was he just handed 25 players at dirtmund and told to nake it work..

Simply put that never works anywhere for long

 

I agree. He was very specific in his comments about transfers when he first came - he has the first word and the last word. You can translate that a couple of ways. He sees a player he wants and the 'middle men' go check him out, report back and he then gives a yes or no on proceeding based on their findings. Or, a player is brought to his attention, he says yes or no to further investigation. Like you I'm convinced he wasn't handed players without his wanting them in his team.

 

I think it also means he would be saying i want a left back... whats on the list....

I think there is a huge amount of structure behind a proper scouting system where basically kids as young as 10 are probably on watch lists, certainly 14/15 and there is constant updating and whats a guy doing. I believe origi was shown his records and it convinced him we were serious about him.

You would expect that as you say as a search gets under way hat a serious amount of viewing and character profiling goes on. no man can prpeare a team for a big game whilst having `0/15 scouts out as well.

 

This may be well off base but Rogers never seemed to have a back up option, we would chase players for months, they would sign for somebody else and we would basically panic and buy ****e, fingers crossed they turn out OK.

Klopp seems to have multiple targets and if not available, he is happy to hang on, until they are available. Some times a mend and make do approach, and he may have been lucky so far, who knew milner would make a half decent LB. But that means the money is still there ready to be spent, when somebody becomes available.

 

No. The thought that he wanted sanchez and ended up being told its etto or balotelli or nothing is madness
Especially as someone bought markovic for 20mil in there.

Like... christ no where was plan b, c, d there?

 

Really good point, and I believe that was down to the disconnect between Rodgers and the committee. No cohesion, no plan, no plan B.

 

I think main difference, and I read someone saying similar on sky earlier, is Rodgers always seemed like he thought he was super lucky to be manager of Liverpool. As such it seems like he didn't quite get that same level of respect. Rodgers always seemed like he knew this was as high as he was going to get.

 

Yeah... you could tell he fawned over other managers and stuff when they came to town.

You have to be comfortable in your own skin and he clearly never was given the fakey teeth and trousers that are too small etc etc