Match Day Thread Brendan Rodgers v Jurgen

three things.

1. no, suarez got his dream move cos he had negotiated a release clause that was a proper on finally and he had scored 31 league gals so proved to barca that he was must have. Nobody was stopping him going. Before this only arsenal were interested but even a THIRD bite could not stop the demand once he destroyed the prem.

2. Sterling. Very different. City desperate for english players. rogers pissed the kid off according to the little rim.... who knows with klopp I don't think he'd have said what rogers said but i don't know it would make a blinds bit of difference as sterling wanted him move just like gotze did.

3. Klopp would not have hand on heart wasted al lthe cash mr rogers and le committee did on bad acquisitions after it. Markovic, at least double going rate for him. Benteke was rogers choice, balotelli... and so forth and so on. the 120 odd mil or what ever would have build klopp's team.

 

Suarez would have left regardless.

I think sterling had beef with the club and vice versa, which is a shame because we would perfectly suited to this team.

 

meh as i said them leaving is largely unavoidable but the buys that rogers and le committee made were avoidable.... and i'd expect klopp to avoid them.





then again i'd expect most sane people would as the dogs in the street were like..

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when balotelli was signed.

when I pools the dogs i nthe street on markovic

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this was common response.

 

Thanks for the replies guys.

Just one point is that can you be certain Klopp wouldn't have got a flop or two buying under the system Rodgers worked in?

I laugh a lot when I see the players he spunked millions on, then see Niasse at Goodison and know it happens.

Show me a manager who doesn't by flops and I will split this golden horse egg I have with you

 

If you mean the transfer committee that's still in place

So it remains to be seen how many flops Klopp will buy. One thing though, he doesn't like over-priced players so I'm not expecting him to go for Ronaldo

 

thats a different question again.

a flop or two is not a total taste of most of the money and making players klopp has made look decent look terrible.

theres not a manager on the planet.. yours included that doesn't get it wrong. Its just a question of how wrong.

Look at rogers' record on CFs. I don't like carroll.. get shut. i don't care if i am short of players... next thing in comes lambert, incomes badontelly and in comes benteke... like... ehhhh.... WTF. that is with respect a spectacularly bad record

then we can go look at rogers other buys.. no whic his him and which is some dark force working on thier own agenda nobody seems to know.. not even rogers!


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Player From Fee Date
Fabio Borini Roma £10,400,000 13 July 2012 - huge flop
Joe Allen Swansea £15,000,000 10 August 2012 - average. cult hero
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £2,400,000 17 August 2012 poor.
Nuri Sahin Real Madrid Loan 25 August 2012 . didn't fancy rogers at all
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30 August 2012 - crocked.
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 2 January 2013 - crocked. hit under rodgers for one year
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,600,000 30 January 2013 - Hit
Luis Alberto Sevilla £6,800,000 22 June 2013 - flop
Iago Aspas Celta Vigo £7,500,000 23 June 2013 - flop
Simon Mignolet Sunderland £10,000,000 25 June 2013- average at best
Kolo Toure Man City Free 2 July 2013 - old man time. a late purple patch but a flop
Aly Cissokho Valencia Loan 20 August 2013 - awful.
Tiago Ilori Sporting CP £7,000,000 2 September 2013 flop
Mamadou Sakho PSG £15,000,000 2 September 2013 - hmmmm... at this point flop but under rogers prob hit.
Victor Moses Chelsea Loan 2 September 2013 - terrible. not interested.
Rickie Lambert Southampton £4,500,000 2 June 2014 - flop
Adam Lallana Southampton £25,000,000 1 July 2014 - flop under rogers
Emre Can Bayer Leverkusen £9,750,000 3 July 2014 -tried to make a CB
Lazar Markovic Benfica £19,800,000 15 July 2014 - flop
Dejan Lovren Southampton £20,000,000 27 July 2014 0 flop under rogers
Divock Origi Lille £10,000,000 29 July 2014 - neve rplayed
Javier Manquillo Atletico Madrid Loan 6 August 2014 - fell out with rogers somewhere. flop
Alberto Moreno Sevilla £12,000,000 16 August 2014 - flop
Mario Balotelli AC Milan £16,000,000 25 August 2014 flop
Joe Gomez Charlton £3,500,000 20 June 2015 - injured
Roberto Firmino Hoffenheim £29,000,000 24 June 2015 - didn't look comfortable til klopp came. not long enough under rogers
Adam Bogdan Bolton Free 1 July 2015 - terrible
Nathaniel Clyne Southampton £12,500,000 1 July 2015 hit
James Milner Man City Free 6 July 2015 hit obviously worlds greatest LB
Danny Ings Burnley Tribunal fee 8 July 2015 flop
Christian Benteke Aston Villa £32,500,000 22 July 2015 flop
Taiwo Awoniyi Imperial Soccer Academy £800,000 31 August 2015 kid
Allan Internacional £500,000 kid

so.... after what 3 .2 years he managed a total of 5 hits out of 33 signings meaning his first team was total misfiring that's 291mil in signings approx and the hits were about 50mil of that so... 241mil pissed down a drain?

NO WAIT here comes SUPER KLOPP to save the day!

suddenly players who looked flops start playing better and shock klopp buys what look to be very promising starts o nthe road to be hits

Marko Grujic Red Star Belgrade £5,000,000 6 January 2016 - looks a decent kid. time will tell
Steven Caulker QPR Loan 12 January 2016 - total flop on a free.
Sadio Mane Southampton £34,000,000 28 June 2016 - huge hit
Joel Matip Schalke Free 1 July 2016 - huge hit so far
Loris Karius Mainz £4,700,000 1 July 2016 - hmmmmm
Ragnar Klavan Augsburg £4,200,000 20 July 2016- for a cheap squad player he might be ok.
Alex Manninger Augsburg Free 22 July 2016 - tea maker
Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle £25,000,000 - looks a hit

So.... there's quite an impact so far in the early games for klopp's first team buys and hit squad players have looked decent too.

He's turned lallana and lovern's careers around and got can and firmino into positions to exploit their talents.

he's had to do quite a bit of pruning there ans akho, a rogers hit looks to be gone due to his messing.


If klopps window boils down to if his first team buys to improve the 11 all worked then he's had a great start. Rogers by contrast got it wrong badly every window bar one.. the january where sturridge and coutinho arrived.

 

klopp has been clear. said committe is toast. Fallows and the like might be in roles to make scouting reports but klopp is not the man and gordon is sat down and ayre is out.

someone in that 6 man list bought markovic for 20mil when he should have cost 10 mix for example. I don't think he was a rogers buy but equally i don't think klopp would even allow it to occur.

and BTW... koeman would not either.

 

Koeman has already worked under Walsh and we have Gueye in from Villa.

Rodgers had to work in the system in place. Koeman possible has more influence, but DOF Walsh looks to also have as much influence.

 

yeah and if rogers were in charge you've have bought a half flogged donkey.

stop excusing his weak kneed approach. he ha 280 page dossier to back up his beliefs after all

BTW walsh should not have Influence so much so as direct the clubs structures and make sure the function excellently. That means bringing players to the managers attention not picking them for him. As in the scouts should be there a lot longer than any one manager and should be performing in each region. Koeman has to say I want x and not y

not like LFC appointing woodgate as spanish and portugese bloody scout..

 

Looking at things as they are Origi, Ings, Firmino, Sturridge, Lallana, Can, Clyne who I think we're all Rodgers/Transfer a group buys look valuable layer. Sure there are more to add to the positives and flops.

Lovren a plus the Shako a negative and so on.

 

but only cos klopp turned them aorund whereas rogers discarded them

 

If I recall correctly Klopp was asked about the transfer committee at his first presser and said it's not a problem, he needs the help but the final decision will always be his.

 

everyone needs scouts!

It has been said since his new contract is is like god round the place. I dunno really. all i can say is i cannot see a single pointedly obvious non klopp signing in the mix.

Matip was probably his very first request week one in the door. we signed him on a pre contract with 3 months of his arrival.

Grujic klopp himself said the scouts brought him videos and showed him off and then klopp said yes. so is that an example? every club needs this stuff.

Mane klopp is all over in every training session like a stalker. loves him.

Klavan klopp has ocmmented he wished he bought for dortmund but augsberg spotted him first.

Mannainger is a like... ok augsberg player on a short contract and i cannot see a single committee guy recommend that!

Karius has all the public dna of a klopp singing. german and highly rated. Who knows if he was on scouts radar or not. He wasn't first nor second linked to us i can say that much

finally wijnaldum. He strikes me as the 2nd or 3rd option type guy. so i would GUESS if pushed that klopp didn't get the immediate target and chose this guy but clearly he had a plan in mind for him when he did sign him so who knows?

 

You're right they all look like Klopp picks but other than Balotelli who would you say looked like they'd been forced on Rodgers?

 

Fabio Borini rogers pick 100%
Joe Allen rogers pick 100%
Oussama Assaidi odd signing not sure.
Nuri Sahin rogers pick i think but the player didn't fancy it after a very short time
Samed Yesil scouts brought him.
Daniel Sturridge rogers pick 100%, beleive he wanted himin summer
Philippe Coutinho not sure. Cscouts maybe?

Things then change. I don't think much faith in the buys above existed.

Luis Alberto committee?
Iago Aspas rogers pick 100% he defended him and called him a figther etc.
Simon Mignolet Don't know. seems rogers wanted a keeper to comepte with pepe. could be he ppicked mingolet but didn't expect the pep loan?
Kolo Toure rogers pick 100%
Aly Cissokho dunno
Tiago Ilori committee
Mamadou Sakho committe IMO, klopp called him nuts very early on and was always on his case on the sideline... and bought lovren to replace him.
Victor Moses rogers pick 100%
Rickie Lambert rogers pick 100%
Adam Lallana rogers pick 100%
Emre Can committee. Rogers never used him right.
Lazar Markovic comittee. rogers packed him off fast.
Dejan Lovren rogers pick 100%
Divock Origi not sure. was loaned back and origi said there were reocrds shown to him of long standing scouting by LFC. prob committee.
Javier Manquillo ?
Alberto Moreno Comittee IMO
Mario Balotelli Committee for sure. rogers had a choice though
Joe Gomez rogers pick 100% off o'driscoll recommendation.
Roberto Firmino committee. Rogers didn't know what to do with him at all.
Adam Bogdan shoot me....
Nathaniel Clyne ? Prob general agreement? Maybe rogers?
James Milner dunno here. the wages would seem to suggest he was long sought and must have been boht agreeing
Danny Ings dunno.
Christian Benteke rogers pick 100%

I think rogers was given some of his players, which mostly flopped and some committee choices which he went out of his way at times not to back. the point must be the players he did want either didn't work or looked poor and the whole thing must eventually come back to 90% of players look far better under klopp than they did under rogers.

Mingolet looked half decent at times
Clyne has grown in influence. we cannot know if this would have happened under rogers or not.
Lovren is utterly transformed from a guy who looked headed to the championship next.
Lallana looked a terrible buy at Rw. he looked a poor player under klopp too until klopp changed his position.
can was not picked, not fancied. turned into a decent cm by klopp so fr.
Origi was given chances by klopp. who knows what orgers would have done
Firmino is utterly transformed form a player unsure of himself to a really integral player in a fluid system. god knows what rogers would have done with him.

Inevitably klopp just discarded some of rogers signing as he sees an approach he wants to take which is any managers prerogative. even he's done this while breaking even and better in the transfer market to create "his squad" and we now have a pretty clear first 11 we can all pick clearly i would say indicates it really is his team.

now the question is will it deliver anything more?

 

Rodgers was **** at transfers.

Case closed.

 

fair enough.

 

First summer - Rodgers has control and ballsed it up and then the committee was formed.

Summer after we finished 2nd, Rodgers got more control and ultimately signed his players.

Then after that, FSG lost the plot and it was a free for all. Tony Barrett said Rodgers had ok'd the deal for Firmino just as long as he got benteke. How ridiculous is that.

 

thoughtless. Clealry someone wanted firmino from somewhere. and clearly rogers was like oh 29mil who cares as long as i get a big donkey cos i've flipped my style that got me this job when i dumped a big donkey and now i need one.

rogers basically turned his back on everything and anything he's thought he was as he did the lfc job and just totally lost himself and didn't know what he wanted by the end.

 

Yep - no leadership, no guidance, no strategy.

Thankfully we have Klopp now who has a clear plan.