Rodgers is not Kenny and is a failure fact. They looked pretty good tonight the boys and at times the passing was really crisp, I enjoyed it.
To be fair to Jones, I think Olssen has his hand in Jones's face as he catches the ball. But apart from that, Jones recovered extremely well. In fact, the whole team recovered. IT was a shaky start but we dominated after 10 mins. The team shows heart and character - getting results from losing positions was almost unheard of last season. We've done it about 2-3 times already this season!
Furthermore - Downing ... why? I've had enough of him. He simply does not add anything to the team. My concern re. youth was that they may play well in terms of not making mistakes and playing it safe. But this doesn't help us win. The youth have been ADDING to the team and contributing everytime. This is the problem with the likes of Downing and Henderson (although he is a youngster himself and will hopefully grow into the role).
The one thing I'd say in Downings defence (and it is the only thing) is that against Young Boys he put in quite a few early crosses and there was no fecker in the box. Then he gets moaned at for not cutting back and holding it up apart from that...he was still pretty **** last night.
This is the best football we have played in years. I think Brendan will be a massive success at Liverpool if he is given the time and money.
I think we all need to ensure that we don't get ahead of ourselves. We performed very well in the Carling cup last season against the likes of Stoke and Man City but struggled in the league. Hopefully we can translate these performances in the PL games...
They looked good but can we do it consistently...? More importantly, can the first team do it consistently...? And even more importantly than that, if they don't do it consistently, is Rodgers willing to drop some of the bigger names to include players from last night that are perfroming...?
in case no-one noticed this was the team for west brom (who didn't exactly go for it) Jones WISDOM Coates Carragher ROBINSON Sahin Henderson Dowing PACHECO Assaidi YESIL please note that there were only 4 kids here not a whole lot is is... yes sinclair got on and yues suso made a big part of the seoncd winning goal... BUT.... this is 7 senior, expereince, well paid players and too boot west brom didn't apply hardly any pressure on us. Yesil didn't exaclty do badly but didn't go show a player who's ready to play striker, give him time... Wisdom and pacheco did very well (pacheco second half in particular) Robinsn ran all night the truth of the matter is i've ALWAYS support our good kids, i'm on record saying 4 kids form the youths are really outstanding and suso, sterling, wisdom and robinson were those 4 i picked out... I've watched every one for the last 3/4 years and have been consistent about it. I've said I don't wantt o see a scratch side and the lague cup has value... if you call that negative fine.... i feel as though half of LFC fans live in cloud cuckoo land anyway and use the "have faith" or "don't be negative" card cos they can't take the turth of where we are at. We got a slice of luck v west brom for one goal, they will be dissappointed they didn't put us under any pressure and looke dlike they wante dto just see out the game with one eye on the weekend.. the issue is if we come up against a side that's oh like chelsea (not in talent, not in name but in application) who's up for this comp and plays the game on its merits that side could get a right hiding. I'm deleighted sahin got 90mins and looks a bit iftter, i'm REALLY delighted about henderson who again i've defended time and again while others bash and I'm really hopeful that coates who i have called alan hanson like played well enough i think to get a nod for saturday. You want negativity? fine just how many realy chances did you see us have v west brom and the same issue exists in the first team.. until rodgers resolves that we are struggling so laying the debacle of the CF position at whomever's door as the op say? i saw brendan standing in the rpess conference v hearts saying where carroll was, he should have stopped it happening until he was sure he had a player in... big big issue IMO... but at least i know that like rafa a guys gotta learn so i'm still hoping that january sees lessons learned. again which is why i posted another thread on this site about peopels opinions of what will happen in january last weekend.... but of course its easy to ignore the real picutre of someone's opinion and have a go cos of one result.
Thankfully, we haven't received the hiding you've predicted yet. Here's hoping it never comes. Back to the PL on Saturday. Let's hope the LHC has stable beams
I dearly hope so too... I hope coates, henderson/sahin and widosm have staked thier claims for the first tema, in fact add assaidi to that, not much end product yet but lets see if he can do more again. Enrique needs to really ge this finger out as i culd see wisdom and johnson as our full backs.. I'd rather johnson as RB though. I am hoping an away day trip this weekend is something our firsts are up for.. but i thought i saw more pressing out of our second string that i've seen from our firsts. Less gaps between attack and defense also. Same issue with bodies in the box for that corss so it'll be interesitng to see the next game.... I'll still say that the rest now is not going many any good. For the record again i've said gerrard needs rests and i said only yesterday resting stelring is what he needs as we could knacker him like owen. If you add that to shelvey suspension and injuries to agger, borini and kelly then you could have seen a team or reina wisdom skertl coates johnson sahin henderson pacheco downing suarez assaidi that only puts robinson on the bench which is something you could question due to johnson's injury record... yesil drops out but he just showed he needs a bit more time to get into the flow and style. what precisely did carrgher and jones contribute/ show that they are ok to play in the league? hardly... sorry carra but when you were under no pressure you looked ok but i won't translate that into starting in the league. rodgers still has all the decisions to make in the first team and he has to get them right! i keep saying i want him to get them right but can see what'll happen if he doesn't. I called it hodgson mark ii.
Tbh honest although Carra is past his best,i would also point out that he is not match fit. A couple of games would vastly improve his performances. Trouble is we havent got much time.
Sorry, MITO. I was just responding to you saying we were in for a beating before the match team lineup was announced, in the match thread, and then, after it was, posting this: You just seem to be fairly negative towards BR, when it's still very early doors. I also don't think Rodgers is the new Hodgson ('mark II'). There are massive differences from team set-up, attitude, and tactics all the way down to the comments they make before and after the match. FSG will give Rodgers time, and, if they don't, it'll be worse for us (as a club) and Brendan. I not having a go, mate, I just think you could be a touch more positive sometimes. I'm not suggesting everything is hunky dory, and we should all go around preaching love with daisies in our hair, but everything isn't doom and gloom, either. Hopefully, we can push on from our two cup matches and bring some winning form with us to the premiership.
suggest you also read quote the other posts i did on that thread as the match wnet on saying how the game was going and which kids were impressing etc. I can only be honest, if being honest to what i think i see is being negative then fine... I perosnally think there is too much shoving "have faith" "YNWA" and "negativity" down peoples throats when their opinion isn't that its all rosey in the LFC garden. I gave very positive comments for lots of players but you've not quoted them! did you just miss them? finally.. i don't want rodgers to be hodgson mark ii but if what i see as the perfect storm he's had to deal with keeps going he will end up that way purely on a results basis... while we are fans who look at every little thing can see the differences the press monstor and the majority of ordinary observers will label him just that.. after all now hodgson is the much loved england manager so while us LFC fans hated his face rubbing and negative tactics plus his singins that all promplty vanished the majority seem to think we badly treated the guy....
I read them all. I already said I wasn't having a go at you. The 'have faith' part of LFC was always one of things which made me love our club more. When other clubs fans were tearing their bosses to pieces one minute, kissing their asses the next, and then calling for their head, we ALWAYS gave our managers support. Hodgson was the one exception, and the other fans have never let us forget that. In that respect I believe he was treated unfairly, and it's hard to argue otherwise. LFC was, and is, more than a club: it's a family. I'm proud of that ethos, and I'll always try to maintain it. You feel differently and that's fine. Agree to disagree. Fine. I don't think people have forgotten. Hodgson makes a good England manager, he wasn't good at LFC. He just didn't fit. But as I said he probably could have been given more time.
I think Roy is bad as England manager too. Rubbish performance at Euros being knocked out by a very under performing team. ...to which he said "we're showing a lot of potential." I think he's crap in general... but a nice guy... lol.
I don't think we can say that yet. Too early. Looking purely at points earned he is even worse than Roy... but that would be unfair comparison. Roy inherited most of a squad that had come 2nd not long before. Rodgers inherited a squad filled with expensive dross. Roy had brought in a string of over-aged flops. Rodgers brought in younger players, some of which have already excelled... granted Borini looks like he may end up a flop but most have been good. Roy wanted the squad to slow play and hit long balls. Rodgers is trying to get the team to play more stylish and with intelligence. We seemed to look worse with each game with Roy... Last three games already look promising. So Rodgers may have worst record so far... but thankfully he isn't the worst. As for best-arguably that has to be Rafa. Inherited a squad fraught with problems and won Champions league first season. Rodgers has a long way to go before we can say he is better than Rafa... maybe one day we can... but as for now, too early and he hasn't achieved anything yet. One win domestically out of five games... He is showing promise though.
Before the game: After the game, when we'd won: So before the game Rodgers is throwing the kids out and we're going to get hammered, now its changed to an extremely experienced side with a couple of kids in. Such a **** stirring twat. You seem to epitomise the modern football fan. Knee-jerk and clueless.
What Brendan Rodgers has got from the players to a large degree is character. Okay he did slam Raheem Sterling for getting a bit cocky, and he challenged Suso to stop sulking and he would get a chance. Both Sterling and Suso have been superb ever since. Brendan Rodgers has challenged both and both have responded positively. He also lets the players stand up for themselves. Have you noticed how he didn't slam Shelvey for standing up to Ferguson. He possibly said, 'Well done for saying it son, it was brave, and if it were me, I would have done likewise''. Hodgson would have been all apologetic and would have said ''Please don't upset the overlord''. Our results in the league will improve. I'm convinced we're going to go on a run of wins. We're ready for lift-off.
