Like the guys there today letting off bangers and singing political songs? Clearly anybody who goes to away games can't follow the rules. Safer not to sell any tickets at all.
The Green Brigade is 80-100 people. The rest of 111 proclaimed nothing. The overcrowding is because people not from 111 go in there. So the answer is to give no tickets to folk from 111? That is stupid. It reads like you are trying to suggest it is ok to break rules as long as you say **** all about it. I don't believe you are a complete idiot, so I'll assume I have picked you up wrong.
What im saying is the GB actions in the past make it easy for the club to decide not give them tickets or move them at cp. Their behaviour and attitude npt anyone elses. Im not stupid I can appreciate some, if not all the trouble associated with the GB comes from non members but hangers on. But the GB havent done enough in my eyes (or the clubs it would appear) to discourage those who do. If I get the blame for anothers actions I shout it from the rooftops. I dont stand back and do nothing. The club are taking the easy option here too- no doubt. But the GB make it easy for them, so shouldnt moan about being picked on. They help bring ot on themselves
The custodians of the club are responsible for stewarding, not the GB. If this is as big a failing as you and others are purporting it to be, then the blame lies solely with the custodians of the club. If they are not capable of doing that, then as with anything, they should be shown the door. But instead we have people blaming the GB. Do you think Peter Lawwell got a ticket? He is the man ultimately responsible for the poor stewarding of a section of the support. I'd say it is a fair bet he did. The GB have been quite explicit on a number of occasions about things they are culpable for and things that they are not culpable for. They don't necessarily use the same media portals as you. The custodians of the club have responded with demonstrable lies. Not giving them tickets is petty and spiteful.
So I should believe a handful of ultras (on the internet )over the club. The people whos job is to ensure the clubs best interests (as a whole-not just fpr a group of less than 100) is protected?
I don't know what your post is in reference to. The custodians of the club have failed to adequately steward the area. I didn't think that was in dispute.
Why are the club victimising the Green Brigade? I haven't paid that much attention because these petty dramas that people like to dream up bore me. Just using my common sense I'd say the club doesn't necessarily want to victimise a group which they have catered for in the past. Common sense says that the reason that the club have went from catering for this group to trying to disperse them is because this group have caused genuine problems for the club. It's not for me to determine what level of tolerance the club should have for a boisterous group, but it is quite obvious that the boisterousness itself has been the issue... so yeah, maybe they need to look in the mirror to find the root of their problems before they point their fingers everywhere else?
Still seems like overkill though. The green brigade only ever created an atmosphere at the football. The difference between Scottish football and the english is the atmosphere. I've seen many a cracking game in the spl but it just doesn't have the same appeal when only 3000 people watch it. A lack of atmosphere makes the game feel flat. Look at german football and the measures they have implemented, free travel to away fans and standing sections. This has created a lot more interest as people want to see something that sounds exciting. Jock stein "you can take the greatest game in the world but play it in front of no one and it becomes average. Play an average game in front of a passionate support and it becomes the greatest game ever. Football without the fans is meaningless." The best game last year was vs Barca and the GB played their part, along with rest of us.
The group existed before they were congregated together. The GB, as I understand it, were aware of the potential pitfalls of taking up the offer of a "section" of the ground. That being they are far more readily identified and dealt with as a collective by the custodians of the club. They decided to run that risk and that scenario has played out. I don't know why the board would have an agenda against them, but it is clear that they do. After many of us poked fun at supporters of other clubs for blithely swallowing the ****e they were fed, I find it quite odd that our supporters would behave in the same way. People are blaming the GB for poor stewarding FFS . What is worse is that so many people are just accepting it. in respect of taking a look in the mirror, it is unclear whether you are referring to the board or the GB. The GB accept some of the criticisms levelled at them. The board don't.
I'm mostly disinterested to be honest. I don't have any prejudices that push me towards thinking the club are right or not, but I assume that they are rational actors and that the recent flip from catering for the Green Brigade, to saying 'enough is enough', must be warranted by something. Given that I'm a relative neutral, and that the Green Brigade's mutterings haven't really been that convincing, I'm siding with the club. You make a reference to other fans taking the official line without question - I'd understand if this was over the life and death of the club - but as far as I can see it is over some ridiculous sideshow to do with fireworks, flares, and crowdsurfing. Also when you say that the misbehaviour of fans is due to inadequate stewarding, the first comparison that comes to mind is those Loyalist Protesters in Belfast the other Friday night - after 56 (or so) Police officers were injured, with no Loyalists being injured, their first line of defense was that the violence had been caused entirely by bad policing - rather than an utter failure of leadership (indeed complete anarchy) within their own grouping.
Apologies if you picked me up wrong. I never said that misbehaviour of the fans is due to inadequate stewarding. Overcrowding in 111 is down to the behaviour of fans not in the GB attempting to, and succeeding in, getting into the section where the GB are situated Congregating in an area where you don't have a ticket is absolutely not good behaviour. The fact that it happens is the fault of those who undertake that action. the fact that it was allowed to happen is the result of poor stewarding. It is absolutely and categorically not the fault of the GB and it is absurd for the blame for that action to be apportioned to them. The custodians of the club are punishing the GB for something they themselves are responsible. That is bullshit. It may only be a part of the reason they acted against the GB but to even cite amongst their reasons is ****wittery of the highest order. You can't say you are a relative neutral and then say you side with the club. You are not neutral if you have taken a side. What I suspect you mean is that on balance you accept their side of the argument. That is fine. You haven't been amongst those professing to know what it is the GB think. Based on the lies the club have told and this **** reasons, I am inclined to stick with my original assertion that both sides have handled it badly. I have recognised failings on both sides, which to be absolutely fair, so has Anportmorbhoy. But it appears to me that many others are leaving balance to one side and are reacting to unfounded projections of who and what the GB are. It is a ridiculous thing that supporters should be treated in such a way, ridiculous that a compromise cannot be found, ridiculous that the custodians of the club have to reduce themselves to telling lies to try and get folk to bend to their will and surprising to me that so many people are accepting without question these assertions. I also accept it isn't the assertion that it is somewhat of a ridiculous sideshow but would contest that it ors part of a wider initiative to further sanitise the support, removing any expressions of being a Celtic supporter that do not conform with what 'they' want. I think that is of some importance.
