There you go utterly ignoring all I said cos you want me to "read" If youd bother reading what I said youd realise I had read it before and explained why lols. Do behave.
Mate, you spent most of yesterday posting absolute balls about the lack of prescribed punishments for specific clauses in the PL handbook / club contract. I pointed you to my first post on page one that explained how any serious breaches are dealt with, you then carried on chatting absolute wham about the same subject, as you’d not realised what I posted wasn’t opinion, merely the process for how it actually works i.e. fact. I let you carry on a while for my own amusement tbh, before pointing this out to you. Only the thing is, if you’d have bothered yourself to go and check out even the basic facts yourself, then your argument would have been one based in fact, and it could have saved you making a prize arse out of yourself again. Posting absolute jarg as if it’s either definitive or has genuine credibility. Even now it seems obvious that you’ve still not bothered yourself to actually read the relevant section of the rulebook and so you’re at it again. Have a nice day mate
The ESL also wanted to cap salary, transfer abs agent fees. It also wanted to give more money back into the football pyramid (more than what is currently added) and it wanted to push to remove mid season internationals. And mic’ing up referees! There are some good points in the proposal but was ultimately doomed with the closed competition. Remove that and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the super league topic come up again soon.
Any club that officially leaves the Super League will have to pay 150 million euros to the remaining clubs. So far, no club has left. @derspiegel
Clearly tobes is not bothered to actually engage just accuse. Every thing he's thrown at me is exactly what he's done himself. Hes refused 3 times to acknowledge the actual point but resorted to slagging off as per. I do hope he also has a nice day.
The European Super League WAS discussed at Ed Woodward’s meeting in Downing Street - and the conversations made the British clubs more likely to back the scheme Via @thesundaytimes ————— Govt Didn’t fight against it at the time but as soon as they saw the public outcry, they pounced.
Nobody will leave but at the same time nobody will ever play in it as it will never be formally established. There was something about the PL clubs only taking part if they gained PL permission to play in both. Clearly that isn't going to happen.
So I've given this some thought and I don't see any punishments being handed out. If you go down the Points deduction route; Who are you actually punishing? The only people who would be affected would be the players and fans who had nothing to do with this mess. Then there is the issue of the team who do win the League title that year, it would forever be known that said team (probably Leicester) had only won because the others were not in a position to ever actually win. Its a hollow victory. Fine the clubs; Sure this time you might in someway target the people responsible, but again who are you actually punishing? Where is the money coming from, do you want to punish the 'club' or do you want to punish the people who made the decision without consultation. In terms of Liverpool, does the money come from the club or does it come direct from FSG or are they indistinguishable from each other. Then again there is the knock on affect, who actually suffers from the loss of money. Its not going to be the Owners, ex's or even players. We saw with the Covid losses the first in line were the minor staff. Fines will lead to job losses for the people who can't afford to lose their jobs. The two nuclear options: Relegate or expel the clubs; Never going to happen. The PL needs the 'big 6', they are the draw, the reason people watch, the claim for the PL to call itself 'the best league in the world'. Sure football in England would survive without them but it would lose all its status and the pyramid in general would suffer as these 6 clubs generate a huge sum of money the league system needs. The other 14+ clubs may feel this is harsh, but the reality is these clubs are that important when it come to the global reach of the PL. Its why the PL reacted so harshly, because they know they need these clubs. Ban from Europe; As above its a similar situation, the CL and EL really does need these 12 clubs to validate the notion that its the top club competition. However this could work if the ban was for one season, One year of a 'lesser' tournament could be something the CL could survive. It also seems counterintuitive to be punishing in order to stop these clubs from trying again. Think about it, you want to stop them from going back to the idea of a a ESL so you are going to make things worse for them and make them feel that a ESL might be a better option. The only way forward is for all parties to find a solution together and whilst there was a lot of greed on show, its clear that the current status quo also isn't working otherwise clubs lower down the leagues wouldn't be going bust and the CL wouldn't be seen as 'out of date'.
Fascinating insight. 1. Points. Don’t because it will make victory hollow. Personally don’t think Leicester or whoever would actually care one jot. Nobody has before when in similar situations. Macclesfield relegated due to points deduction thereby saving Stevenage. Did Stevenage say no as they didn’t deserve to stay up, err no. Etc. 2. Fine. It will affect fans, Club and staff. Never stopped Clubs being fined before. 3. Relegate/Expel. We are to big and important. It’s that arrogant disregard for other Clubs which has caused this issue in the first place. Nobody and no Club or Clubs is or are too big to be punished for breaching the Rules. 4. European ban. As per 3 above. As per 3 above. The current system isn’t working because of the greed at the top. I don’t mean just the Six either. Given the recent escapade of the ESL I can’t see a resolution being reached which addresses football’s problems as we all have to be going in the opposite direction to the one taken by the Six. I can see a fudge of the issue being agreed but with no one being satisfied as the Six won’t get extra money and the Rest won’t get revenge.
Whoever win the titles after Juve, Milan, Inter etc were punished for match fixing didn't give a **** either
just as a note: if points deductions were deemed appropriate in this you would have to deduct more than 15 points from each club before city would be even in danger of leiceter catching them. If you said you wish to really hurt 6 teams you could deduct 20 points but you would only punish city for the title and relegate arsenal maybe (unlikely but maybe) the reality is you have 6 "equal offenders" irrespective of what is said the offense is really signing a contract thereby entering a compeittion without permission. so if you have "unequal" punihsment then you clearly have an issue. City would still be in the CL with a 20 point deduction but utd would be behind everton and cheslea, spurs and liverpool would be nowhere. so effectively put out of europe. So if its less, 10 or 5. then really what is the point? again city win the title so no punishment at all. chelsea lose CL so are massively punished and so on and so forth. now step back and ask, is this offense worthy of a points deduction? They entered a competition, despite all the bravado and shouting the odds they did not seek to leave the premier league. They did not go into adminiistration etc etc. in theory the final league table could mean a 1 point token deduction might mean absolutely nothing but equally one club could be massively punsihed compared to the others. (not us btw we have done ourselves over already) this is why the ppoints thing is just impossible to do without the stars aligning. on the other hand directors are easy targets so can you say a director was not "nice" yes. Can you suspend or throw out a director. yes. This imo is far more likey and easy to do. It doesn't really attack the main men outside of maybe liverpool where hogan and werner targetted. Abramovich and the likes would be unaffected. utd have already said woodward is gone and spurs have just lost the league cup final due to levy so he's due for the chop. IMO the real story is fans being used by some opportunists who really want to grab more of the overseas tv money and extra powers for theselves If anything it just shows how stupid these clubs were as all they realy needed to do was ring up their mates in spain and say this won't wash unless you make it 24 clubs in and just went ahead and invited everton and leicester to the scab party (and they would have jumped at it lol) leave 12 unable to carry any votes in the premier league lol. if its true this lot even breif johnson then they had to know they were offside all aong.
Nobody has WON something because of points deduction before. Not being relegated and winning a title are not the same thing. You are naive to think that the PL doesn't need those clubs and we're not just talking about one of them, its all 6 or nothing. It maybe arrogrant but those 6 clubs make up the majority of revenue the PL and English football in general relies upon. They are the draw, the reason the PL is able to sell itself around the world, people in Asia, Africa, USA etc aren't wearing a Newcastle shirt or tunning in to watch Southampton. In terms of fines, never said it hasn't been done before or wouldn't be again. But unless you can seperate the actions of the billionaire few from the clubs themselves then ultimatley who is going to get punished. Covid losses showed that the first in line to face the fallout are the ones who don't deserve it, does the PL want to be responsible for people losing their jobs, people who can't afford to lose their job. It would also be worth pointing out that none of the 6 clubs wanted to leave the PL or even make changes to the structure of the PL. The issue was/is with the CL and therefore should fall under UEFA (and fifa).
Inter won the titles And yes the Serie A did lose alot of credit afterwards. Just as nobody paid any attention to Celtic winning 9 titles in a row when they got rid of Rangers.
well juve got relegated for it. the question has to be was fixing matches and being caught red handed worse or not. thats up to everyone to determine themsevles. It shoudl howver be noted that it was a criminal case where people went to jail. As the juve guys were caught on tape doing to pressuriging to get the refs they wanted they were the fall guys. On appeal it should be noted that firoentina and lazio got off their relegations and took their medicine then. Milan were put out of the CL and apealed and were put back in. Guess who they played in the 2007 CL final.
Yes they have. just not in england. Inter were handed a title. inter didn't "earn" that title and the prosecutors were fuming it was given to them. the reality is after the case a short time after italian football went into the doldrums and juve bounced back and dominated for years after. I think just targeting directors who can be golden handshake out the door by clubs is a quick and easy way for them to deal with this as the true battle is for power in the prem. If the 14 were actually serious they would have voted some changes already this week. We are already back to licking city's balls on sky after the poor dears "tough week" apparently neville has to admire them for how great they are LOL
Firstly, refer to Zain’s post. It has happened. Secondly, I would accept that some of the Six (just can’t with Tottenham) may currently be a big draw abroad but only because of the other Clubs. They aren’t there solely as a result of themselves. They need the other Clubs in the PL who, in turn, need the Clubs in the Championship etc. If it wasn’t them it would be someone else. Man City and Chelsea are examples of this. Not surprisingly from a Newcastle point of view it is also being suggested that personnel at the top of the PL were aware of the plans for the ESL, namely Hoffman and Masters, and that needs on behalf of the 14 to be investigated as again the Six appear to have an inappropriate level of influence within the PL. It should also be pointed out that the Six broke the rules and for that there has to be a punishment that fits the “crime” for the sake of the integrity of the game. You can’t scheme behind the 14 Clubs back and not expect a reaction and a punishment.
There’ll be the required review and there’ll have to be sanction. It won’t be points deductions or expulsion though, most likely a meaningful fine and a direct threat of expulsion for any attempted repeat. If the fans are bothered that a massive fine will impact the club and therefore them, then apply pressure for it to be paid directly by the owners and not via the club. Kroenke Jnr has already told their supporters trust that the cost of withdrawing from the ESL (which could be huge according to some reports) will be paid by his father from his own company funds and not via AFC.
You missed the point of the original post. First being what is the appropriate punishment. Are you seperating the clubs from those who made the decision? Is it not unfair to punish those who knew nothing about it? Second being, if you are trying to shut down the idea of a ESL is it not a bad idea to push these clubs back towards an ESL being being over the top with the punishment? If you do points deduction is there not a sense of injustice and that the PL does not care about the concerns of these clubs? If you fine are they not going to think that the PL is hampering their finances further, which is one of the issues the ESL was to solve. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any punishment but rather it needs to be carefully done or things will bubble up again. Personally the only type of punishment I can see is some sort of fine, but I'm not sure how it would be done or will be done at all. After all Uefa and the PL feel like they've already won.
