If that’s the 6 clubs defence, then good luck. I’ll go with, they knew fine well it was a rule break, they also understood the judge lead review that’d follow, and that they’d almost certainly lose it, but they were banking on the threat of expulsion not being on the table. Perez said the other day that one of the English clubs wasn’t that keen and was persuaded to join late on. Makes you wonder why they needed 6 English clubs...until you read the rule on ratifying an expulsion from the league requires a majority of 75% to carry it. Quite what they felt would stop the other 14 amending the rules for next season to counter that 75% with a clause around collective teams and that if they all stood accused of the same offence then 75% of the remainder would be enough, I’ve no idea. As 14 is enough to carry any other vote through.
There’ll be no ban issued imo, I doubt there’ll be any points deductions either, more likely a sizeable fine, and a possible suspended termination of their membership if they ever try the same stunt again. Amend the 75% rule for expulsions and possibly change the wording of L9 to take account of clubs who collectively enter into a new competition. Interesting that Barca, Madrid and Juve are yet to throw the towel in, a cynic might suggest that the contract they signed with the new league company that they collectively set up, that obvs does have fiscal penalties for withdrawal, as confirmed by Kroenke and the leaked docs from Der Speigel, is where the money would be paid to. The skint and desperate 3 might be banking on keeping that co running long enough to collect the debt, as they’d be the only remaining stakeholders. That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest as all 3 are totally ****ed financially. They might even go as far as to take expulsion from next seasons CL as the price to pay for hanging on long enough to get paid. As if the reported large figure is correct, then 9x that divided by 3 would way outstrip a season’s CL income, that’d be truly tragic though, but desperate times and all that, plus the utter madness of football at the minute, you can’t rule it out. Perez and Agnelli should be fired out of a ****ing cannon. They could maybe stick in on PPV though, it’d be very fitting tbh like.
Could not be arsed to read all of the comments but I’m guessing that @Tobes is demanding a points deduction, which would catapult them comfortably into the top four? We wanted to leave the UEFA competitions not the premier league. Let’s see what action they take against the biggest 12 teams n Europe - or will they bottle it for.....wait.....the money The league needs to fix its fluffy rules, fire a warning to all and move on. You can’t prosecute a business for plotting to grow ffs, regardless of how tasteless it was. In fact some actions/threats by the authorities could be deemed anti competitive under EU law. It’s over, thankfully, everyone needs to move on.
Amazing. when I pointed out the 75% to you this week you said it was bollocks. However after that, most of all this retrospective changing of the rules to enable punishment as you suggest again be open to challenge legally. By all means seek to change the rule so in future it can be used. Again the very best of luck with all this manipulation of the rules to find a means to break 6 clubs. The 14 would end up in the toilet after pulling these nuclear hail Mary's of yours What the prem needs is a calm head or two here here. The scale of the issue is simply too big and the issues with sporting punishments too open to legal challenges that the only real practical way forward is financial.
We dont operate under eu law. Yes if a club votes for points deductions and then 2 or 3 of them directly benefit it is wide open for appeal. It's really that simple. Clear conflict of interest and breach of the rule tobes is claiming that should be used b.15. Not being nice in the playground.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a perfectly sound argument that its jot up to the prem to break it's own rules on sporting merit to ban clubs from a competition it doesn't administer. Any ban in europe must come from uefa as it is their remit. The prem has 3 options. Fines, points deductions and expulsion. It clearly cannot do no 3. It cannot do no 2 as doing it will give 3 maybe clubs doing it a financial incentive therefore is open to legal challenge. It would merely be a case of self harm. No 1 is logical all round but the money cannot be distributed to prem clubs as again it is voting for self profit. It should go to fa to distribute through the pyramid. However again, theres several opportunist trying to grab advantage in this. They really want committee control of things like financial share of tv money etc.
Isn't the transition period over? Its uk law now since Jan 1 even if the content is the same. Didnt boris promise to change the law just like to es has said the premier league can somehow change the rules and retrospectively punish the 6 biggest clubs
Have you literally read nothing that I’ve said? Or has it just not permeated your noggin? Try starting with the one below that one you’ve replied to here. Then maybe read back at some of the others, where I’ve given my opinion of the likely outcome of a hearing and what my personal view is on what I’d like to see come out of the hearing.
I could say the same thing to you mate. Most of all I'm making the point you've gone against when I pointed out the 75% rule last.monday nearly and you've also picked holes constantly eleven though I told you 3 times I was commenting on rule L9 yet there you are saying that's the breach just the same.
I’ll take that as a no then. You patently still haven’t either read or understood the protocol for dealing with serious rule breaches either.
Tottenham are one of the “biggest 12 teams in Europe “? Whatever happens that’s a good one. Best comment I’ve seen on that is that Tottenham being one of the “Big Six” is like you and me going to the Crucible and putting 50p on the table to play the winner.
Just because you can appeal and/or another Club benefits from your punishment doesn’t mean an appeal would be successful. It’s all about balance and fairness. That’s why it’s important the PL don’t go for revenge as opposed to imposing a fair penalty.
Not won the league in 60 years, or the FA Cup in 30, in fact that the only pot they’ve won this century is the one they wanted to scrap under ‘Big Picture’. One of the biggest clubs in the World though apparently - due to turnover lol, just don’t mention the £1.1BN current debt levels.
I get what you're saying. Just pointing out that it's always been the case that punishments affect the fans, and I've never seen it be pointed out as such a big problem until it potentially involves the big clubs. Funny that init? I don't think there'll be any punishment of note as it happens, but whether or not it affects the fans/team is an irrelevance which shouldn't be considered imo.
Sigh. Again, given I'm only arguing with you over a particular point I will say it again. I pointed out the 75% rule to you first early in the week I discussed only the L.9 rule yesterday. On both you've just argued for the sake of it, told me I'm talking out my arse and wrong. Now it's you either didnt read or dont understand argument out of you like you are the only one who is capable of either. I've not bothered reply to your post you refer to as it was in reply to the question posed by someone else and it agreed with my point of view that you also ignore. Yet I'm the one who cant be arsed reading back? ah tobes. Behave old son. We actually agree on the outcome and the fact they deserve punishment so we are only arguing for the fun of it now Btw if I was wrong on the 75% how come changing that rule has become a central tenant of your points since?
That one way of looking at it hut I can only go by past and man city were caught rotten with ffp and financial doping and CAS threw it out on technicality. Sadly that why imo they have to apply something that the weight of fan anger would make them swallow.
It’s all there fella, try reading it. I’m not spelling it out yet again, as I’m patently wasting my time. Oh and it’s tenet btw and it isn’t.
