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Molina at the weigh in looked out of shape, Wilder on the other hand has certainly put in the hard yards preparing for the fight. By the looks of things, it's just finished with Wilder winning in 9, after dropping Molina 3 times earlier in the fight. Molina was ranked 7 by the WBC but not at all by the others. I suppose Golden Boy and Wilder can't be blamed for taking the easy road at this stage. In taking the title from Bermane Stiverne, his purse was a $1,000,000, tonight he took another $1,400,000 according to the Alabama Athletic Commission. After everyone takes a slice, taxman included, I reckon he'd be lucky to make 25%. If Klitschko comes knocking at the door offering him two to three million, I'd tell him to **** off. I doubt if that clash is going to come any time soon, but if and when it does, they'd be crazy to settle for anything less than eight figures.
 
I'd agree with some of what this bloke is saying. In my opinion there's a couple of things that I'd take into account when judging Wilder's performance. Firstly I got the impression that he was a bit nervous and I don't necessarily think it was due to being scared of taking a punch. It could be that now he's champion he's got everything to lose and all the pressure is on him which is a new situation for him. Before the Stiverne fight he was just the prospect so nothing to lose and everything to gain. Secondly you've got to remember that even though he's WBC champ he's still never really fought anyone or been tested so just because he's champion doesn't mean he's world class. I've said it before but before the Stiverne fight the biggest scalp on Wilder's record was Audley Harrison. That's a pretty poor standard of fighters he's been up against so we still don't really know if Wilder is any good. Now he's champion the quality of his opponents should be better so it wouldn't be fair to expect him to carry on blasting people out in the first couple of rounds. Molina was a nothing of an opponent but he's still probably a level up on Harrison.

It's fair for people to expect Wilder to impress and perform as he's the champion now but hes still untested and has not fought at what I'd consider world level so technically still a prospect in my opinion. And yet again I emphasise how ****e the heavyweight division is! It's a sorry state of affairs when we've got Anthony Joshua only a few fights into his professional career and we can mention him in same breath as the so called 'world level' fighters. If I were Klitschko I'd be knocking out Fury then getting into Wilder for his belt as soon as possible then call it quits once the division is unified
 
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Only saw up to Round 7 as the recording stopped for some reason. From what I saw I have crossed off Wilding already. Molina, a no hoper, looking in not too good a shape and like a rabbit in headlights; Wilder being extremely careful and still got rocked by a loose punch. Anyone any good would have finished him off. Even when Molina was out on his feet Wilder couldn't finish him earlier, throwing very wild (almost pub style) punches. Haven't seen or heard any post fight analysis but was very disappointed with that.
 
Nice to see WBA Champion Andre Ward returning to the ring tonight. He goes in against England's unranked Paul Smith in a non title 12 rounder in California. Due to a shoulder injury, the champ has only had 4 fights in the last 4 years, the most recent being over a year and a half ago. A bit of a stink occurred at the weigh in with Smith tipping the scales as a Light Heavyweight, much to the chagrin of officialdom. Smith is likely to be docked prize money. Looks as though they are easing the champ back into the game.
 
cyclonic111 said:
Nice to see WBA Champion Andre Ward returning to the ring tonight. He goes in against England's unranked Paul Smith in a non title 12 rounder in California. Due to a shoulder injury, the champ has only had 4 fights in the last 4 years, the most recent being over a year and a half ago. A bit of a stink occurred at the weigh in with Smith tipping the scales as a Light Heavyweight, much to the chagrin of officialdom. Smith is likely to be docked prize money. Looks as though they are easing the champ back into the game.
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I like Paul Smith, decent bloke but well out his league here. Will be a one sided mauling, no more than a bona fide sparring session for Ward. The more interesting fight taking place tonight is that of Adrien Broner vs Shawn Porter its an absolute must win fight for both fighters if they are to be still considered contenders. Personally i'm leaning slightly towards Porter. Broner is the more skillful boxer but he doesn't seem to have the power up at light welter and welter weight and will struggle with the pressure that Porter will be applying. Points for Porter maybe even a split decision but the cynical side of me says that Broner is the more marketable of the two fighters and if its anywhere near close he'll get the nod
 
Just had a look at their records, looks as though neither of them could knock the top off a rice pudding. 55 fights between them with just the 2 kos in total. Although Porter scored his only stoppage at his last effort, so maybe he's turned the corner. :)
 
cyclonic111 said:
Just had a look at their records, looks as though neither of them could knock the top off a rice pudding. 55 fights between them with just the 2 kos in total. Although Porter scored his only stoppage at his last effort, so maybe he's turned the corner. :)
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Porter looked really good in stopping Paulie Malinaggi in the fight before he lost to Kell Brook but your right neither are blessed with too much power. Porter is a tricky fighter he comes forward at different angles and applies constant pressure. Broner will have to use all his boxing ability to box off the back foot and put in the quality work, much like Brook had to do
 
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cyclonic111 said:
Looks like those stats of mine were way out Smoke. Both men can hit a bit and have knockouts at about 60 and 70 %. I've been looking at some vids of them both and it just might be a nice fight.
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Not at this weight though Cyc. Especially Broner he seems to have very little power since moving up. He looked like a superstar at lower weights but moved up really quickly and has been a bit hit and miss up at welterweight. He's a 3 weight world champion so he's obviously no mug but if you watch his fights before his loss to Maidana you can see it was just a matter of time before someone who could hit was going to beat him. He obviously lacks the power so opponents can just walk through his shots and and put him in trouble. Malinaggi did just that but didn't have the power himself to trouble Broner. Then came Maidana who can hit and did just that. Porter isn't known for his power but like I said before he completely destroyed Malinaggi and if he can walk through Broners punches and get through enough hinself it could make for an interesting contest
 
It's very difficult to warm to Broner the way he acts and talks. Before his loss he fancied himself as a mini Mayweather there's even videos on YouTube of him flushing $100 bills down the bog! There was talk at one stage of him fighting Amir Khan which would be strange for me because for a change I'd actually want Khan to win that one!
 
You certainly called that one right Smoke. Porter took the fight away from Broner, who it seems who it seems was a one trick pony. Once Porter began to dictate the fight, Broner slipped out of his comfort zone, and it was all down hill from there. Porter was gracious in victory, but Broner was anything but that in defeat. Some were saying after the fight that Broner might be better off with another trainer, but they wondered whether he'd even bother to listen. Nice to see that a good guy can still put an arsehole in his place.

Andre Ward, as expected, was in a class of his own.
 
Not had chance to watch it yet Cyc. I normally get up with me little lad and let the wife have a lie in then try watch boxing between episodes of Curious George and Peppa ****ing Pig! But the wife got up this morning with his so I'll try watch boxing during the week. I'm not surprised with either result Ward is a phenomenal talent and will end is career unbeaten. Whether he'll be able to secure the kind of fights that will cement is legacy is doubtful, I can't imagine many people wanting to take him on. Porter was always going to trouble Broner with the way he fights it's now just obvious that the hype surrounding Broner (mainly created by himself) is just that, all hype!
 
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One of my all time favourite fighters and an all time great Oscar De La Hoya has today come out and said that he's 50/50 on whether he will get back in the ring. He's been retired the best part of 7 years when a shell of the boxer he once was took a one sided beating from Manny Pacqioua. He's now 42 years of age and is talking of coming back and not only that but to come back and fight the likes of Floyd Mayweather (who I thought he beat the first time) or Gennardy Golovkin is just silly talk. He retired once before and came back after a four year absence to become the first man to win a world title in 6 different weight classes but he should stay retired this time. There's no way he's going to have the required ability to compete with the names being mentioned and there's no point in coming back at all just to fight any old bum. He's definitely not short on money so it isn't a financial decision, he's been inducted in the boxing hall of fame so his legacy is cemented. I guess some people just find it hard to stay away. As a fan and as much as I've loved watching him box over the years I really don't want to see him come back just to take a beating or to fight someone just so they can have the golden boys name on their record
 
Horrendous idea and sad that the guy hasn't stayed at the top of the promoting business.

Its a path all too many fighters have trodden sadly. I hope he doesnt need the money.

His fight with Mayweather last time was dull from all I remember- Oscar plodding forward with a decent jab but Mayweather avoiding any follow up punches and landing the cleaner work. Doing just enough as always.

If Floyd fights him again that ought to be the final nail in the legacy. Floyd has all the skills to have been a legend of the sport. However, for me he has carefully chosen who and more importantly when he fights his true rivals

Cotto had a horrid match against cement-cheat Margarito, Moseley was old, De La Hoya was old, amd PacMan had waited to a point where he was no longer in that white hot peak of his.

Personally, I think Floyd would have had enough for them anyway but his legacy won't quite match up to his mouth.
 
From what I've read and seen on vids, one of the hottest divisions in the world of professional boxing, is the Flyweight section. There are some serious champions down in the weights with the likes of Juan Francisco Estrada, Roman Gonzales, Kazuto Ioka and gentleman called Amnat Ruenroeng. It doesn't look as though the latter is as good as some of the aforementioned, but he put's his IBF title on the line on the 26th against the No1 contender John Riel Casimero who was stripped of his IBF Lightflyweight Title when he failed the weigh in. He won the fight but the Title was vacated.

The 35 year old champ Amnat Ruenroeng began his pro career at the ripe old age of 32 after 3 prison stints and a drug addiction. After taking the IBF belt at his 12th fight, he's had 3 successful defences. Only a third of his unbeaten fights have finished inside the trip with all Title fights being won on points. He's brash, fast and cocky and has the longest reach in the division, but is a bit limited in skills. I'm not sure that Casimero has what it takes in the present Flyweight ranks, so even though Ruenroeng is a bit rough around the edges, he'll probably prove too physically powerful for the challenger.
 
cyclonic111 said:
From what I've read and seen on vids, one of the hottest divisions in the world of professional boxing, is the Flyweight section. There are some serious champions down in the weights with the likes of Juan Francisco Estrada, Roman Gonzales, Kazuto Ioka and gentleman called Amnat Ruenroeng. It doesn't look as though the latter is as good as some of the aforementioned, but he put's his IBF title on the line on the 26th against the No1 contender John Riel Casimero who was stripped of his IBF Lightflyweight Title when he failed the weigh in. He won the fight but the Title was vacated.

The 35 year old champ Amnat Ruenroeng began his pro career at the ripe old age of 32 after 3 prison stints and a drug addiction. After taking the IBF belt at his 12th fight, he's had 3 successful defences. Only a third of his unbeaten fights have finished inside the trip with all Title fights being won on points. He's brash, fast and cocky and has the longest reach in the division, but is a bit limited in skills. I'm not sure that Casimero has what it takes in the present Flyweight ranks, so even though Ruenroeng is a bit rough around the edges, he'll probably prove too physically powerful for the challenger.
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I know next to nothing about that sort of weight class Cyc it's not something I've bothered with much which is silly on my part as a boxing fan because it's where you get some of the most exciting fights. I'll make the effort to check out the fighters you have mentioned
 
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last weekends somat shambolic situation with this craze of 'catch weight' fights and where Britains Paul Smith came in at 4 pounds heavier than the 'agreed' weight for his seemingly impossible task against one of the best on the planet Andre Ward. Paul was fined £60k of his £225k purse as punishment and the fight went ahead after Ward agreed to it. Smith as expected was utterly outclassed in the ring and it now turns out that Wards class extended out of the ring aswell, as he gave the £60k fine back to Smith. What a great thing to hear in this world of sometimes over inflated ego's.
 
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