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beeforsalmon said:
One thing I'd say is Fury would absolutely destroy him. He's still a long way off being worldclass but he answered more questions tonight, fair play.
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Fury won't cope with a Joshua style. Styles make fights and Joshua is all wrong for Fury.

Tonight was perfect for Joshua- 5 more fights and we're gonna see a superstar.

He looked shot in Round 2 but he got stronger when he paced himself. Looked a little vulnerable to the speedy left hook but he is raw and will become slicker and cuter with experience.

I'm glad there's a bit of vulnerability showed because it's gonna keep the hilarious hype around Fury and Wilder going.

Really decent night of boxing tonight- enjoyed it!
 
beeforsalmon said:
Haye will beat him if that's the case.
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Don't see that, I think Joshua will be to powerful for Haye, who's not really a proper heavyweight. Hayes never really faced a big punching heavyweight like Joshua before.

Haye has been trying to talk himself into the fight, as he's a pundit on the commentary tonight, so I think it's highly likely it will happen aslong as Haye wins his return :biggrin:
 
King Shergar said:
Don't see that, I think Joshua will be to powerful for Haye, who's not really a proper heavyweight. Hayes never really faced a big punching heavyweight like Joshua before.

Haye has been trying to talk himself into the fight, as he's a pundit on the commentary tonight, so I think it's highly likely it will happen aslong as Haye wins his return :biggrin:
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Joshua the finished article wins comfortably with a ramrod jab and reach.

Joshua of round 1 & 2 tonight being a bit open would be very dangerous against Haye.

It's gonna be a fascinating journey to see what he adds to his game.
 
beeforsalmon said:
I knew you'd disagree! Just my opinion, Whyte had him rattled in the second but he toughed it out, he's learning I'll give him that, but he's miles off the best at the minute. Tonight surely proved that. Not saying he won't get there, he's improving as he was in, for the first time, with someone who wasn't a pub fighter.

Great fight anyway. Both leave with credit imo
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To be honest mate I'm still getting over the fact that Bloody Tyson Fury is heavyweight champion of the world! Boxing is all about opinions that's why I love debating/arguing about it so much. How many of us were wrong about Fury/Klitschko?? And I'll still fancy Wlad in the rematch. It was a good performance by Joshua tonight and Dillian Whyte comes out with more credit than I gave him before hand but again it's all about levels and what level was Whyte at really when you look at who he's fought. European title fight next for Joshua? Big domestic clash with Haye? Winner or loser of Fury/Klitschko or might they even send David Price in for slaughter??
 
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King Shergar said:
Don't see that, I think Joshua will be to powerful for Haye, who's not really a proper heavyweight. Hayes never really faced a big punching heavyweight like Joshua before.

Haye has been trying to talk himself into the fight, as he's a pundit on the commentary tonight, so I think it's highly likely it will happen aslong as Haye wins his return :biggrin:
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Haye hasn't the big power of Joshua but he's quick and nimble and he's technically in another parish to Whyte. And Whyte did get through, but Joshua took all he got and answered it with interest. But is Haye what he was 3/4 years ago, if he's diminished then it's another matter.

My main point is if Joshua can get hurt by Whyte, who most completely wrote off on here beforehand, they could be in for another big reality check when he faces a champion (albeit a past one!).
 
TopClass said:
Joshua the finished article wins comfortably with a ramrod jab and reach.

Joshua of round 1 & 2 tonight being a bit open would be very dangerous against Haye.

It's gonna be a fascinating journey to see what he adds to his game.
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You also can't ignore that Haye has been out of the ring for 3-4 years, that's along time sat around doing nothing especially when your in your mid 30s. So I think it's very doubtful that he can come back to his absolute best.

When boxers make comebacks they very rarely come back as the same fighters, history usually points to that anyways :biggrin:
 
Haye has/had some serious power. But it's unlikely he'll return the same fighter it's a long time to be away and he had his shoulder completely rebuilt. It's a pretty serious injury to return from
 
smokethedeadbadger said:
Haye has/had some serious power. But it's unlikely he'll return the same fighter it's a long time to be away and he had his shoulder completely rebuilt. It's a pretty serious injury to return from
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I didn't realise he's had shoulder surgery, if that's the case then he's gonna struggle, as it really limits the amount you can train.

I've torn my rotator cuff before, so I have to limit the amount of upper body movements I do in the gym due to inflammation. And if Hayes needed surgery his must have been alot worse than mine :biggrin:
 
Sounds to me like Haye shrewdly realised the £££ potential of the British heavyweight scene at the moment with Joshua trying to step up the levels and Fury world champ.

He can do one or two fights, take home a million quid and swan off.

He's a name, he is the Fury grudge, and he's a serious test for AJ.
 
King Shergar said:
I didn't realise he's had shoulder surgery, if that's the case then he's gonna struggle, as it really limits the amount you can train.

I've torn my rotator cuff before, so I have to limit the amount of upper body movements I do in the gym due to inflammation. And if Hayes needed surgery his must have been far worse than mine :biggrin:
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A torn rotator cuff sounds horrific- crikey mate what was the pain like with it?
 
beeforsalmon said:
Haye hasn't the big power of Joshua but he's quick and nimble and he's technically in another parish to Whyte. And Whyte did get through, but Joshua took all he got and answered it with interest. But is Haye what he was 3/4 years ago, if he's diminished then it's another matter.

My main point is if Joshua can get hurt by Whyte, who most completely wrote off on here beforehand, they could be in for another big reality check when he faces a champion (albeit a past one!).
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Agree that Haye is alot better than Whyte, but it was more Whytes chin that kept him in it, I'm just not sure how Haye would react to being hit by such a big puncher :biggrin:
 
TopClass said:
A torn rotator cuff sounds horrific- crikey mate what was the pain like with it?
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It wasn't to bad to be fair aslong as you don't lift anything with it. I just couldn't lift anything heavy for about 8 months, which was quite tough for me as I like to go down the gym most days. So just had to do alot of cardio and lower body work. Its a common injury caused by bench pressing to often, as the tendons aren't getting a chance to recover, so I just limit myself to once a week on the bench these days.

Boxers are even more prone to it than someone who just lifts, as when they aren't lifting weights, there throwing punches which is constantly stressing the shoulder:biggrin:
 
A few fighters exposed tonight and can give up any ideas of World Championships.

Quite impressed by Eubanks Jnr. That was a very hard fight and he toughed it out as well as showing class.

Not sure what to make of AJ after that. As I pointed out in earlier post, there have been those who don't go down despite being pummeled by AJ and that happened again tonight. Should have put Whyte away in the first but couldn't. I find that a bit worrying. He was then in trouble in the second against a "street fighter" and looked uncomfortable. However, the fact that he took a few clean shots was good to see (not good that he got caught but good he came back from them). Also he took command afterwards and it was just a matter of time; another plus.

On that showing I'm not sure he is ready for Fury; he certainly wouldn't carry my money.

I thought the end of the first round (after the bell) was entertaining
 
What was most impressive about Joshua is how he learned quickly tonight. How I saw it was he came out in the first round and showed the gulf in class and almost had Whyte out of there. He then came out for the second feeling he had a sitting target and could just go and knock him over. He found out however that at heavyweight one punch takes away the biggest gulf in class, and got caught. Where he learned however was that during the round the fight finished he caught him but then did something differently, he kept himself safe and still picked out his shots until he was certain he could go in and unload unanswered. That shows intelligence.

In truth he was only in danger for about 10 seconds of one round and won every other round comfortably. He showed a great many attributes of a great fighter, were I to work on something it would be movement, which incidentally is Hayes strong point. Joshua is not finished yet and tonight was worth 10 fights with trees, they should now ensure each fight is meaningful and he will be ready for a shot at a title in 12 months time.
 
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Ron said:
A few fighters exposed tonight and can give up any ideas of World Championships.

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ie Luke Campbell (not powerful enough), Mitchell (not good enough), Tony Bellew (crap).

There was one mismatch. Bloke makes an entrance like a champ. I said why is he looking so confident; he'll be on his back shortly. Shortly after, he was on his back <laugh>. We had to laugh.
 
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Nice effort by Anthony Joshua last night. But like Ron, I'm not too sure of what I saw in the win. Unlike those in the broadcast box, who seem to deal in fantasy a lot of the time, I couldn't see Whyte being bombed out early. I seriously thought he had a chance of going the distance, but got that badly wrong. Dillian ran out of gas after three or four rounds. Joshua was easily the fitter man, but he too began to suffer more than I thought he would. Both men took far too many punches, something that will have to be addressed if they are to make their presence felt at the next level. Before the fight, I though Whyte was a possible world champion, not any more. While he has heart, he has no reach and not enough skills. Joshua on the other hand, has the skills. He has pin point accuracy and fairly quick hands, but he'll need a lot more than this if he's to take on Wilder or Fury. He takes too many hits and is too one dimensional. Head movement is non existent and he can be shaken up. But he is a work in progress, so hopefully they can get some serious work into him before he has to fight the big guns. I earnestly believe that if they staged a fight early next year between Fury-Joshua or Wilder- Joshua, no belt would change hands.
 
It could be just me, but I get the feeling that David Haye smells money in the air. All of a sudden, heavyweight boxing has come alive. I don't think the class is potentially all that much better. But seeing Vlad come undone to Tyson Fury and with Deontay Wilder carrying the pride of the USA, a much needed spark seems to have injected back into the premier division. Added into the mix is the now impending clash for the vacant IBF belt that was stripped from Fury. That title will now go to either Charles Martin or Vyacheslav Glazkov. A purse bid has been ordered for the 18th of this month. And now with all the hoopla surrounding Fury and Joshua, The Haymaker might be looking to cash in. He's obviously a very talented fighter, but can he cut it against these monsters who boldly stride across the landscape of the giants? To do so, he's going to have to spot these monsters about three stone, it's a huge ask. I can't see him beating Fury or Wilder, and really wonder about him against Joshua. Haye and Joshua are chalk and cheese. The latter is much slower of both hand and foot, but has a massive advantage in reach and power. Anthony knew where to find Dillian, he probably won't against David Haye who will be extremely elusive. On what we saw last night, when he finds range, Joshua's radar can be clinical. Can Haye, being 3 inches shorter, out by 4 inches in reach and 3 stone lighter in weight, find a way around these shortcomings, especially against these much younger men? I'm beginning to doubt it.
 
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