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Off Topic Boxing discussion thread - Fury vs Usyk may 2024

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Darth Plagueis, Apr 29, 2022.

  1. Obi Wan

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    Hey, tubby guys can still pack a punch you know.
     
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    There is a lot of weight behind that comment.
     
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  3. Toonitus

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    Ruiz is one of the best
     
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  4. Ben 10

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    Usyk and Fury are the best and he isn't 1 of them
     
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    Yes id agree with that but ruiz in the top 5 id say. His physical shape doesn't mean he can't box or knock people out.

    He's got in shape actually and I think he looked worse in his last fight
     
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  6. Darth Plagueis

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    I'd go with

    Usyk
    Fury
    Joshua
    Wilder
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    5th - Probably Joyce.

    It's difficult to place the top 10 outside the top 4 because of how crap everyone's opposition has been outside of the top 4. In regards to the top 5-10 - Joyce, Ruiz, Ortiz, Parker are all fighting within the next few months, so we'll see a more solidified top 10 soon. If I had to pick based on what I've seen I'd go with Joyce, as I think his insane chin and jab will cause others a lot of problems.

    I'm going with Usyk #1 because Fury has looked slow and past his best the last two fights. If he fights that way against Usyk like he did against Wilder last year and Whyte this year, then Usyk will UD him easy.

    The question is - Has Fury just been fighting 50% his best because his opposition weren't interesting him anymore?

    Or has Fury undertrained, boozed and binged for too long, rode his luck and is finally feeling the effects of his undisciplined lifestyle? Maybe he's past his prime already?

    If Fury can get back to what he was in 2019/2020, then I'd say he'd beat Usyk, but if not, then Usyk will likely beat AJ and also Fury.

    Usyk is unified HW so he has to be considered #1. Fury isn't really retired, he'll be back late this year or next year.
     
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    I'd say ruiz because he defeated Joshua and imo he was robbed vs Parker

    I also think wilder would get his arse beat by ruiz Parker whyte and the juggernaut

    The juggernaut might be the dark horse. His jab is pretty impressive.. He destroyed that big stiff idiot dubious
     
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    Fury has always been like that, never looks brilliant against the lesser fighters but gets the job done still
     
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    Wilder beats Ruiz nee bother
     
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  10. Toonitus

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    Wilder can't box he has a punchers chance...

    Seriously who's he ever beat?
     
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  11. Darth Plagueis

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    Ruiz would get KO'd by Wilder as he has literally no head movement. If you have no head movement vs Wilder you had to be aggressive and KO him, and Ruiz is a counter punching boxer.

    He wont have the power to KO Wilder, and will eventually get KO'd brutally.
     
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    He's beat Ortiz who is around Ruiz level.

    We'll see as Ortiz and Ruiz are fighting in August.
     
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    Wilder can't box ruiz would knock him out
     
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    And who has he beat?

    The biggest myth in the division is Ortiz. An old man that dave Allen went 10 with
     
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    Wilder is the worst boxer in heavyweight division but it doesn't matter. Every single person he's fought has been knocked down, and everyone except Fury has been knocked out.

    If he can hurt Fury, he can hurt anyone.
     
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    He's fought nobody he's beaten nobody.

    Joshua would have that record fighting taxi drivers for 40 fights
     
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    Ortiz was unlucky not to beat Wilder in the first fight, Wilder got lucky and ref corruption give him more time to recover.

    On another night, Ortiz would have had a TKO victory over Wilder.
     
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    Agreed, but his performances against Fury probably prove his level. No one has ever hurt Fury like that.
     
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    Wilder is ****

    Neither of them are good
     
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    Chisora 1st fight... Cunningham and wallin

    People fall into the trap of not realising the records are against nobodies.
     
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