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Boxing Day games 'could be called off' - including Fulham vs Saints

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. PO10Saint

    PO10Saint Member

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    Of course it wouldn't, I was just poking fun at the strike tbh and the fact that people on such a bloody cushy number can cause such disruption to everyone.
     
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  2. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Are you still talking about the tube or politicians? ;)
     
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  3. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    Now let me think about this for a couple of seconds. A few tube drivers getting extra pay for working on boxing day are going to bring the western economy to its knee?

    I think you are confusing tube drivers with bankers old chum.
     
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  4. gomarchingin

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    The rights and conditions being slowly eroded by this government are worth fighting for.
     
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  5. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    It's not going to bring down the western economy but in the light of the current economic situation, it would not be fair to give them such a huge pay increase (which as mr banana says, will likely to be passed on to the passenger through fare increases) when most people probably wouldn't get the same. Either it should be standard pay or time and a half and a day off later in the year.

    We're in a recession, they're well paid. Triple pay is ridiculous and not necessary.
     
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  6. gomarchingin

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    They go on strike because they feel the need to fight for their terms and conditions of service, fair play to them.
    Are you working on Boxing Day?
     
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  7. - Doing The Lambert Walk

    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

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    Is it bad that I find myself agreeing not only with PTF, but with Godders AND GMI? Deary me I think I need a lie down.

    (I agree guys!! Keep arguing!!)
     
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  8. PompeyLapras

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    Well they may feel that, but their views are warped and their demands are unreasonable. I have nothing against taking action when it's justified, in this circumstance it is not even remotely close to being justified. They should actually consider themselves lucky for having a job in a **** economic climate and be grateful for what they have. This is pure profiteering, as was the transport unions in London demanding extra pay during the Olympics (which again I was completely against).

    If I had a job, I'd be happy to work on boxing day for ordinary pay.
     
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  9. gomarchingin

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    You dont sound like a union man, I bet you are in solely in there in case you get in trouble and not because you believe in the principle of collective bargaining and strength through unity.
     
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  10. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Well said, StG.
     
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  11. gomarchingin

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    Some scabs on here think it's a race to the bottom, just because they have no bollocks to fight for what's right they believe others should lose out.

    Jealousy of the working man, well not men merely facilitating robots of the state.
     
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  12. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    Call me a scab? Take that back, bitch.

    Forgive me for lacking sympathy for people with well paid jobs using their privelaged position to demand triple pay when others wouldn't have a chance to do that. Clearly I also want to reintroduce slavery into this country. <doh>
     
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  13. gomarchingin

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    Since our silverware has been given to the shareholder don't you think they have been profiteering?
    The sell off of our assets and it being masked over as an improvement fir the users and state is one of the great lies of the Tory governments.
     
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  14. gomarchingin

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    Dman I wad referring to, God knows what union he is in, you confuse money over principle.
     
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  15. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    What's done is done, we can't change what's happened, but we can change what happens.

    Plus, I'm sure there's plenty of research to support the idea to privitisation leads to improvements in efficiency, it just depends how said privitisation is facilitated. I don't think the privitisation is inherently a terrible idea but likewise it isn't silver bullet.... Like anything else really.
     
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  16. pass the football

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    Haha, even GMI has some opinions worth listening to, though none of them pertain to football sadly ;)
     
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  17. gomarchingin

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    For the railway it costs close to 5 times the amount to run the railways as it did BR, as a person who uses the railway a lot I can tell you it ain't 5 times better.

    Private ownership is for profit and state ownership is for the people, of course it's going to be worse, the companies are now responsible to the shareholders as opposed to the government, BT and the deregulation of the phones is probably the only thing I can think of that's a positive example of a freer public utility.
     
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  18. PO10Saint

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    Ridiculous.
    Their current contract that they all signed up to has provisions in for additional pay on Boxing Day. Whatever, or however, much that is they agreed to it. The ASLEF union are demanding additional pay on top of this its ****ing outrageous and they can hide behind industrial action to not get sacked for it. I'm all for unions, believe it or not, but the best unions are those that are fair and understand both sides of the discussion and can generally work towards a sensible and fair conclusion. This is just greed on the part of the members, because they can...
     
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  19. pass the football

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    Isn't that part of a free-market? That things cost as much as the market will tolerate?
     
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  20. PompeyLapras

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    That's such an incredibly simplistic way of looking at it. Yes private ownership is based on profit but in any well run private sector company, companies will strive to provide the best possible service in order to encourage customers to use that particular company. Because state companies are not for profit, there may not necessarily be the drive to improve that there is in the private sector. The problem with the railways is that they aren't a proper free-market economy, they're essentially just a number of regional monopolies with a bit of overlap on the borders of regions. This means there's little competition between railway companies so they can provide a rubbish service. Like I said, the private sector isn't a magic bullet but it does have a lot to offer I feel, if it is properly regulated.
     
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