Boston

Being discussed that the devices were fairly crude. The explosions did appear to be relatively small.

If there's any "luck" in this situation at all its that these bastards obviously couldn't get their hands on high grade explosives or at least enough of it.

Hopefully there will be no more deaths than the two being reported. Injuries will be horrific though.

Sickening.

 

**** that, torture the bastards to death #****s

 

Too early to jump to conclusions, but I suspect the right wing gun-lobby more than foreign terrorists at this stage.

 

Apparently one of the two dead was 8 years old. A lot of amputations being reported as well. No punishment is harsh enough.

Whatever political motivations they had i just can even begin to fathom why a person (likely a group) would do something like this, especially if it was domestic terrorism. Sickening.

 

Have a friend from college who was running in it. She is OK but pretty mentally ****ed up right now after seeing everything...

 

This. 8 years old.

 

I understand what you're saying but I don't agree with it at all.

 

I suppose it's that we have to be better than these people or risk becoming them.

 

Or, maybe because we try to be the better people they see it as small punishment and not much of a deterrent? Punish people excessively for their actions and they would more than likely think twice before carrying out their actions. Prison is not a deterrent, people get a better like in prison than out

 

Scare the **** out of potential criminals. North Korea has got that one right.

 

It is difficult to find a punishment that works and that fits in with the moral view that Western Civilisation has taken, as much as I agree that these people people should be punished I don't agree with using brutal methods as a punishment. This not because I don't think they deserve it, it's because I think that we need to show these people that we will not stoop as low as them.

I then ask myself that if it was my loved ones would I have such restraint and the answer would be no. It's not black and white but I would like to think that we are better than these monsters.

 

The punishment needs to make the culprits think twice, it needs to be something they really don't want to incur. The punishment system we have is a joke, there is little wonder people steal, fight and generally cause problems within society. At the minute, they go to prison and play on a PS£ or Xbox, get three meals a day and can watch TV etc when they like, that is not a punishment! Fair enough, if people don't want to inflict brutal methods, but why not stick them in a cell with four grey wall and a pot to piss in? They've done the crime so ****'em! My objection to this is it costs money to keep them.

This human rights bollocks for criminals is a joke IMO. If they don't want to be punished then don't break the law. Call me crazy but I find it fairly easy to avoid breaking (major) laws on a daily basis!

 

Have to agree, emotions can make brutality seem a good idea. But in the end it is not the way we do it in the west. Death penalty seems correct as punishment for this, but it has to be an absolute conviction. If it's a group then how do you go about defeating them?

 

I agree on your points about prison it seems to be becoming less of a punishment and more of a half way house but I also think that torturing people would be a step towards becoming the problem, if it is such an effective means of punishment why do people continue to break the law in countries that use these methods?

I think that prison where there are less privilages would be a step in the right direction and sentences that are actually carried out would also help 1 year is 1 year not 6 months if they are good.

With terrorists life should mean life and no privilages.

 

I understand people thinking emotions effect peoples thinking but this is not the case for me as I don't know anyone that has been the victim in these incidents, nor do I know anyone that has been involved in an individual incident beyond GBH, ABH, etc.

I just think that if someone knew that by committing certain crimes they would face much more aggressive punishment (which could include death but IMO, it shouldn't be pain free) then they would be less likely to offend. Of course, this does not cater for a suicide attack but then, what can be done to deter this?

The sentences are a joke. I don't mind when they say a minimum of X years is to be served: for example, the guy from Derby they killed his six kids (he still has others) got a life sentence but must served a minimum of fifteen years. That one just looked worse because his two accomplices got seventeen years each (but could be out in eight).

 

Hopefully that **** will always be denied parole (he's been inside for attempted murder before, so it's hard to see how he can ever be released or rehabilitated), but on a point of law he was done for manslaughter as opposed to murder because the Crown couldn't prove intent. Possibly because there wasn't any? Wilful, reckless, dangerous and fiendish (and all three of them still attempted to blame another person when they were caught) and without remorse, at least until they were sentenced. Not murder though.

Nonetheless, had you or me, or any 'normal' person been idiotic and wicked enough to come up with that cockamany scheme and it went horribly wrong, resulting in the death of your children, not only would we not try and blame someone else but I just wouldn't want to live anyway. I'd be my own death sentence.

Like those 'kids' who've just been found guilty of murdering that tramp in walton. The mother - who the hell would give their kids a false alibi knowing they'd done that? No wonder half her tribe are in prison for death-related crimes - she should NEVER get out. Like that witch who covered for her son who shot Rhys Jones: they should bang these ****ers up for life and NO parole.

 

I think they should have been charged with manslaughter but six times over. Not showing remorse doesn't change the charge but it should effect the length of sentence. However, IMO he shouldn't be in prison because he shouldn't have to right to breathe the same air as regular folks!

 

Still not much coming out about the bombs, police have searched an appartment but that's about it so far and no organisation has claimed responsibility yet.

 

there is enough turmoil going on within the US that this could have been anybody internal or external, Oklahoma was an American and this I would assume is an American, the Washington sniper, American, there is nothing to indicate this was any foreign elements and certainly not anything to do with North Korea what so ever.

As for people covering up the crimes of their kids, didn't a whole town back those rapist scum footballers including the local police because they were good football players

Most of America's enemies are within it's borders and most of them are or were in office. I mean anyone who still thinks 9\11 was a terrorist attack is the looney now, rather than the conspiracy theorists.

Lives mean nothing, this has gotten far more cover than the fact that Nato have murdered scores of women and children this year alone, infants mothers sons daughters in what amounts to butchery by the military.

A shame lives are lost in Boston it really is but it is no less of a tragedy than what the military are doing abroad but that just isn't as important it seems, Iraqi Pakistani and Afghan lives just mean nothing to the US and NATO

 

Many don't think it was outside terrorists attacks as the bombs were poorly made. Thinking it is either some lone-wolf type ( Timothy Mcveigh) or some radicals upset about something. My friend who was in the race is pretty damn shook. She basically got an eyeful of dismemberment and is trying to shake it.