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Bolton is 163.8 million in debt

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by ellewoods, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. TygerTyger

    TygerTyger Well-Known Member

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    England and English have capital letters, even in California (which you got right!). maths

     
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  2. Altrincham Tiger

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  3. TygerTyger

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    Not all words ending in S are plural. Maybe we could compromise and say "Sums"?

    If not, bolleaux to you.
     
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  4. Quill

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    Exactly.

    Here's one example - Chips are not crisps.

    Chips are chips.


    Fish and fries sounds funking stupid.
     
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  5. ellewoods

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    This is better than I can explain it.


    “Math” as a colloquial short form of “mathematics” first appeared in print quite a while ago, in 1847, although that “math” sported a period (“It rained so that we had a math. lesson indoors.”) and was thus clearly a simple informal abbreviation. “Math” unadorned appeared by the 1870s. “Maths” is a bit newer, first appearing in print in 1911.

    There is no difference, however, between “math” and “maths” apart from that “s” on the end of “maths.” Occasionally you’ll hear arguments that “maths” is more proper because it’s short for “mathematics” and thus should be plural. But although the field we call “mathematics” includes multiple disciplines (such as geometry, calculus, etc.), “mathematics” is a collective noun (as is “physics,” etc.), so it’s considered singular. You can tell that from how “mathematics” is treated grammatically: we say “My favorite subject is mathematics,” not “… are mathematics.” The form “mathematics” actually represents what was a common practice, about the time of the first appearance of “mathematic,” of using the plural form of a name of a field of study as a singular noun, as in the case of “acoustics,” “physics,” “linguistics” and many others. Terms that came into English earlier, such as “arithmetic,” didn’t get that “s.”
     
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  6. Happy Tiger

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    When I visited California Elle, seemed to me the most popular language spoken was Spanish, in fact around LAX I found it quite difficult to find anyone who spoke English for Dummies let alone proper English.

    Back to the OP though, Bolton should get some of the financial geniuses from CTWD and these very forums to sort them out, no need for owt radical, just sell a few more shirts locally and they'll be fine.
     
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  7. philhul

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    Math and maths are equally acceptable abbreviations of mathematics. The only difference is that math is preferred in the U.S. and Canada, and maths is preferred in the U.K., Australia, and most other English-speaking areas of the world.

    Neither abbreviation is correct or incorrect. You may hear arguments for one being superior to the other, and there are logical cases for both sides. One could argue maths is better because mathematics ends in s, and one could argue math is better because mathematics is just a mass noun that happens to end in s. In any case, English usage is rarely guided by logic, and these usage idiosyncrasies are often arbitrary. If you were raised in a part of the world where people say maths, then maths is correct for you, and the same is of course true of math. Don’t listen to anyone who says otherwise.
     
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  8. bum_chinned_crab

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    The best explanation I can give is - in England we say maths. If you want to speak English then it's maths, otherwise invent your own language and stop stealing from us. We were speaking English when Americans were living in teepees.

    What languuage is it again? Oh its English. Therefore it's pretty safe to say that in ENGLAND we get it right.
     
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  9. ellewoods

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    Of course we ruined it. It was inevitable when you think of the size of our country and the many local and regional dialects that naturally sprang up. English in England is as foreign a language as English spoken in Massachusetts is to me. Its to bad that our music and movies have exported some of our dialects to other countries. Nothing wrong with variety.
     
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  10. ElTigre

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    Bolton Bandits. That should bring in an extra £50 million a year.
     
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  11. Happy Tiger

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    Why am I not surprised people on here don't understand how English is a free flowing language, spoken in many different styles and dialects, even within the UK, and they think its "ours" and shouldn't be ****ed around with. There's no such thing as "Proper English", that's a personal thing according to where you're from.

    Bread roll anyone?
     
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  12. Altrincham Tiger

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    Aluminium was first discovered and described in Europe. It's description and discovery was sent over the Atlantic to a youthful USA but the documentation had a typo in it, naming it as Aluminum. Henceforth we now have this discrepancy and argument about which one is correct due to an oversight centuries ago.

    Of course it is Aluminium given that so many other elements end in 'ium'.

    Or so I heard anyway.
     
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  13. bum_chinned_crab

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    I wouldn't start correcting a Frenchie over his use of language.
     
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  14. Happy Tiger

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    Moi aussi. I wouldn't want to be like the French either for that matter.

    The reason English is the greatest language in the world is its versatility and adaptability.
     
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  15. Altrincham Tiger

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    Well English was a pretty ****ed up language to start with. It's not like the mainly Latin based languages of Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese. Or the Scandinavian languages or Norway, Sweden, Denmark. Even Finnish and Hungarian have common Nordic roots. We just got invaded too often and so it's codged together from everything.

    What does annoy me is Mainland European students being taught to speak English with an American accent. I've actually met "Americans" at work or uni in the past, asked where they were from, (expecting California as an answer) and they have responded Sweden!
     
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  16. ellewoods

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    Its just a function of who you are around. My partner for instance her first language is English but many of her relatives learned Spanish and English at the same time. They use one or the other depending on who they are around. In Cali like most of America there is a blending of the languages so that people here will use Spanish words even when speaking English. If you are in Louisiana for instance there is a blending of English and French. Places in PA there is a blending of English and German. The stronger the blending the more recent the two languages met up. Sometiems the blend is accents and not a mix of words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English_regional_phonology
     
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  17. DMD

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    A lot of the differences in spelling between English and America is down to some bloke that thought he'd 'tidy up' English by taking words back to what he thought were their roots, unfortunately, they let an American do it, and he had no sense of the tradition or history and ballsed the job up, hence 'center' and the like. **** knows where they dragged things like "ass" instead of "arse" from.
     
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  18. bum_chinned_crab

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    So you agree someone from a different country shouldn't be correcting an English person speaking English and instead put forward their idea of English?
     
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  19. ellewoods

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    Hell almost all our last names are wrong because some New Yorker decided he didnt give two ****s when people showed up on the boats. My last name for instance is Dunlap when it should have been Dunlop.
     
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  20. Altrincham Tiger

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    Probably exactly where the aforementioned aluminium/aluminum discrepancy came from.

    This site actually red-squiggle underlines aluminium as the incorrect spelling!! Bloody American spell-checkers now. <laugh>
     
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