If you really think that quote makes your case then there is only one person looking a plum. How have managed to find yourself offering the conclusion that Captain has an inability to separate class and race? It is you that assert that it is the middle classes hold these PC views.
i think that every body on here has justified their anti racism credentials sufficiently enough to stop commenting on the thread. I am certain that Typical started it with the right intentions but it is not getting us anywhere and is generating suspicion on evryone's motives and beliefs. I do not expect Super or Allhell to become witchfinder general or for the forum to be relocated to Salem. Let us just agree that whether we like or dislike CP none of us are doing so because of his colour nor do we expect a ducking stool to be installed at the valley to identify whether a supporter has racist tendencies. As yesterday showed there are those in the support who do and they are easily identified and ejected from the ground.
They got the wrong bloke again. That's the trouble, nobody knows what the rules are. Except Evina who has the ears of an Labrador but the touch of a walrus.
HA HA HA... you f**king crack me up Typical...!! For me Ponders absolutely nailed the race debate with this...:
It was actually me who started the thread, SVC, and, yes, my intentions were/are good. I never expected the debate to flare up in such a manner, but it is always interesting to read the differing views of fans from the same club. Anyway, what happened to Keith Curle? After his side gave us a good beating in League One, I expected him to go on to great things, yet he seems to have fallen off the radar in the last year. If he'd stayed on at Notts County, I think they'd be in better shape than they are currently. And did anyone find out what happened to Jean Tiguana?
Keith Curle apparently had too many odd habbits. He would waste valuable minutes at half time to put toilet paper around the dressing room doors so the other team couldn't hear him. When things like that happen, it sticks with you and chairmen will always become hesitant.
When I read the opening post to this thread yesterday I sort of guessed where it would end up. Funnily enough, I also guessed in advance the two posters who would blow the hardest on the topic. Leaburns Legs and Captain With such awesome powers of prediction, I must do the lottery tonight. I will state my own opinion on the discussion topic carefully, so that certain people cannot embellish or twist it. Do I think Powell is a poor manager this season? Yes. Do I want him gone? Yes. Is it because he is black? No. Having said that, I too (like Captain) read the other Charlton fan's message boards and it is inescapable to my mind that a big part of the undoubted "affection" displayed towards Sir Chris Powell amongst what I would label the "CAST" element of our support is linked to middle class feelings about his skin colour. Its a horrible brand of tokenism which cries out 'look at me, I like a black person'. Don't take my word for it. Here is a quote from Charlton Life (you can check it using the search facility). "Isn't it great that we have a black manager?" Here is another, more recent one about who should replace Powell "Jason Euell is doing a great job, and Paul Morts could be his assistant"
So typical wasn't 'blowing' at all then, Vol? This is where I and others disagree. I don't think our support for Chris Powell has anything to do with his skin colour. For one thing, CAST still represents a small number of Charlton fans (2000 or so, isn't it?), as you have pointed out before. How can it be, then, that a 'big' part of the affection for Powell depends on them? I tried using the search facility but couldn't find your first quote. Could you provide the link? As for the second - I assume it's this one from WeegieAddick: Even if it's a serious suggestion (and I don't think it is, see the 2 LOLs it got) 1) She doesn't pick Euell and Morts because they're black, but because both are already working for us and, in Euell's case at least, doing a good job and 2) She mentions other, white, options such as Hales and Mendonca. So far, your quest to prove that CP's support depends on some kind of white, middle-class guilt isn't going too well. Because it doesn't.
It stems from the middle-class and upper-class sitting on fortunes made from the endeavours of slaves in the cotton fields, coal mines etc. They feel guilty for having such wealth, but not guilty enough to hand the inheritance over to charity. Instead, they champion the causes of society's ethnic underbelly in a vainglorious attempt to assuage their complexes. As long as they don't get their hands dirty, that is.
It would appear that Vol and typical are receiving the brunt of criticism for their views, yet, compared to me, they are positively liberal in attitude. I must be getting better at this forum stuff.
Sounds ghastly. I once made a vainglorious attempt to assuage my complexes. It was not a pretty sight and I'll say no more than that.
It's there. I wouldn't ask you to get your cousin to sign a witness statement to prove you lost your virginity, so let's agree on a balance of probabilities argument that you must be wrong as you can't possibility speak for all cafc fans particularly those on charlton loyal...
I agree that I can't speak on behalf of all Charlton fans. Neither can you of course, but that's not really relevant here. Why do probabilities come into it? This isn't maths. I'll ask one more time. Please show me evidence that Charlton fans support Chris Powell because of some white, middle-class guilt complex. You and Vol are the ones who have made the claim, so you are the ones who have to prove it. The following is what I mean by evidence, in this case serving my argument: Charlton Life, Feb 2, comment by Redman in the thread 'Chris Powell is a perfect example of why we should never appoint a "club legend" again.': That comment got 8 likes Charlton Life, Feb 2, comment by EpsomAddick (me) in the same thread: That comment also got 8 likes Charlton Life, Feb 2, comment by Uboat in the same thread: That comment got 12 likes. I know I said this isn't maths above, but QED.
You don't have evidence. You have opinion from a hopeless and unreliable source. If you don't have evidence you rely on probability, the probability being that I am right. After all, an independent source confirmed it like Pea. Go out get laid, you need too.
I do have evidence, as provided above, that Charlton fans base their support for Powell primarily, as they should, on his record with us as manager. So probability doesn't come into it. I can't help feeling that in this debate, we've advanced no further than an asthmatic ant with some heavy shopping. Oh well.
