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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Yet the Bill of Rights has not kept idiocy at bay for centuries, it's enabled it.

    Let's start with the pachyderm sat in the corner, the gun nuts who have spent well over a century blatantly misquoting and misrepresenting the Second Amendment, and look what that's given the US - a gun crime rate not only on a par with a Third World nation, but in many cases a gun crime problem worse than the majority of Third World nations.

    Then there's all those who have misrepresented the First Amendment over the years, for example Gawker are claiming that posting the Hulk Hogan sex tape online falls within their First Amendment rights, rather than violating the Fourth Amendment rights of any unfortunate sod who watched it - and on the subject of the Fourth Amendment, how is strapping someone into a chair to be fried alive or slowly suffocated, which is what happens to those in the electric chair and gas chamber respectively, not considered "cruel and unusual punishment"?

    The Bill of Rights has been fatally undermined by those people who claim to uphold it.
     
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  2. deedub93

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    One set of rules for everyone will never work. Worldwide, justice is for those who can afford it. We are very lucky in most of Europe where there is a partial justice for the poor and powerless. Elsewhere is different.

    Say for instance a woman is raped. In many African states, if she reports it but cannot afford to pay police to investigate, at best she will be laughed out of the police station. However, the most likely outcome is that the police rape her as well. Worse still, in a number of islamic states, she would be stoned to death or suffer a similar fate.

    My point is that there are different rules and regulations around the world and people think differently. When one society tries to impose it's morals on another it becomes big news. However, internal strife amoung those of a similar morals is not unusual and of lesser significance. This will always be the case. For instance, the Korean War and Vietnam got far mor press than the Eritrean War of Independance. All three were bloody but the Americans were not involved in Eritrea. One day history will be rewritten and Haili Selassie will be recognised as one of the most evil men history has ever known.

    Nevertheless, just as it is wrong for IS to try to impose their style of life on us, it is also wrong for us to go bombing them. We have no right to attack others if we disagree will what they say or what they do to each other. Only if they attack us without provocation should we act, and then it should be full blown and decisive aka Thatcher V Argentina.

    Basically what i am saying is that we should butt out of the Middle East. We are not the worlds police and we should let these people get on with their own lives/wars etc. We should look after ourselves primarily and also look after any true refugee who arrives on our shores.

    Furthermore, as for journalists, just as i put myself in a position of danger working in what the UK government describe as a war zone, they know the risks. They do it out of choice and we should not shed tears for them should they become unstuck. If there is ever an imbalance in reporting it is when IS or some other 'terror' organisation kidnaps a journo or some charity worker.

    Trying to impose our morals on others who think differently will always end in disaster. We should adopt the Swiss stance, do not get involved.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The Swiss are involved, though. They allow everyone to get away with this sort of crap by laundering all of their money.
    That's the worst kind of involvement possible. Blatter is the embodiment of Switzerland's worst characteristics.
     
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    "Fans were, needless to say, keen to point out here error. Hardly fair. After all, she’s not the only United fan who has never been anywhere near Old Trafford."

    the Torygram
     
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  5. deedub93

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    They launder everyones money, that is pretty neutral to me. As previously pointed out, justice is available for those who can afford it. It is a pretty sad state of affairs but it is unlikely to change in the near or even far distant future. Looking after number one, as the Swiss do is the best policy.
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Laundering everyone's money isn't neutral, as those that aren't doing anything wrong don't need to do it.
    It's literally helping the worst people in society, as only those making the most from others' misery need it and have access to it.
    Drug barons, terrorists and the biggest, most corrupt tax-dodgers in the world all enjoy the Swiss facilities and would struggle without them.
    That's not looking after number one, it's enabling utter scumbags and ignoring horrific actions.
     
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  7. deedub93

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    I admire your sentiments PNP but the world isn't like that. Like it or not there will always be utter scumbags who will 'buy justice'. I work mostly in Africa and without dealing, and in some cases paying these scumbags would cause me a lot of grief. I once told one of the Sirleafs in Liberia to go and do one when they demanded cash off me and my visa renewal was refused. Nowadays i just pay up and get on with it. It makes life easier.
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That's fine on an individual level and some places have to work like that, but Switzerland's not one of them.
    They're in a very comfortable part of Europe and take advantage of that fact by being total arseholes.
    If everyone acted like that, then the world would fall apart.
     
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    Michael Oliver will referee our game with Chelsea on Sunday.
     
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  10. deedub93

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    [QUOTE="PleaseNotPoll,
    If everyone acted like that, then the world would fall apart.[/QUOTE]
    Which unfortunately is what is happening now. Based on my experience i think one has to sit back and let the law of the jungle sort things out. Closing down Switzland would just move the problem elsewhere.
    20 years ago i would have had a similar opinion to you. But nowadays i try to keep a very low profile. The bad boys generally come unstuck in the end, i.e. Blatter, Hailie Selessie and hopefully one day Menigistu Mirriam (who is currently being harboured by Mugarbi).
     
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  11. SpursDisciple

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    This is quite a wide ranging thread
     
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  12. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yeah, one comment's about a bunch of unscrupulous arseholes coming unstuck and being helped by a scumbag.
    The other's about Mugabe aiding Mengistu... <whistle>
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    Not quite up there with Dele Alli's Myspace profile pic, but still...
     
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  14. Citizen Kane

    Citizen Kane Danny Rosebud

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    Without doubt, one of the most beautiful countries on the planet. Also populated by some of the most boring, humourless bastards on the planet!..
     
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  16. No Kane No Gain

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    Kane's comfortably the highest scoring player in the PL this year. Morata's in there with an unimpressive total of 18 goals across all competitions since the start of last season(no idea how many were this year) whilst Kane has 24 league goals in 2015. He must have over 30 if you include internationals and cup games.
     
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  17. redwhiteandermblue

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-insults-liam-and-gets-teamliam-trending.html

    A shame to see Campbell tarnish his sterling reputation. And so out of character for him, a rich ex-athlete, to be going well out of his way to get some poor working stiff sacked who probably needs his job desperately.

    On the other hand, he’s given us a cause we can all get behind.

    Habibullah Khan @HuK_6
    @CambridgeStCafe I pledge to spend a 100 pounds minimum at your cafe on my next trip to England #TeamLiam

    @CambridgeStCafe I've never been to your cafe but if @SolManOfficial is complaining then you must be doing something right! #TeamLiam

    Rich @richspurs24
    Should Liam be clapped onto the pitch at half time on Sunday? #TeamLiam


    oe Bignell @JBignell92
    If you're not #teamliam you're not Spurs #justice4liam

    8:48 AM - 25 Nov 2015

    "Absolutely fantastic service from Liam today. The man is a modern day Mother Teresa." Baz M.

    I’ll definitely run up a nice bill at the Cambridge Street Cafe myself the next time I’m in London--as long as Liam’s still there.
     
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    Eric Dier says, "Eat more artichoke." ?

    I say, "How many?"
     
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  20. Citizen Kane

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    Campbellend has been on a downward spiral of bellendry since the day he left us. Kings College should grant him an honorary Professorship in Bellendology.
     
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