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Vertonghen simultaneously watches our win over Cardiff and Ajax getting a battering by PSV:
Ended up 4-0, with ex-Man Utd and current QPR loanee Park Ji-Sung getting the last goal.
Losing Eriksen's been a big blow to Ajax, by all accounts. Understandable.
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Ended up 4-0, with ex-Man Utd and current QPR loanee Park Ji-Sung getting the last goal.
Losing Eriksen's been a big blow to Ajax, by all accounts. Understandable.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/24/totte...-touting-as-chelsea-tickets-hit-1265-4094562/
Spurcat called it right, it was only a matter of time until it blew up.
Apparently this is from our own website: "The club does not benefit financially from sales on the site and StubHub only receives commission on tickets sold – there is no fee to list.". Now surely it would be better if there was a fee to list and no commission, that way those selling tickets would be forced to put a realistic price or waste their money. It's a **** company to work with anyway so lets hope they do away with them completely.
Spurcat called it right, it was only a matter of time until it blew up.
Apparently this is from our own website: "The club does not benefit financially from sales on the site and StubHub only receives commission on tickets sold – there is no fee to list.". Now surely it would be better if there was a fee to list and no commission, that way those selling tickets would be forced to put a realistic price or waste their money. It's a **** company to work with anyway so lets hope they do away with them completely.
How much?!?!?!
I have a Gooner season ticket holder mate who gives his unwanted tickets to charity. I beleive the charity then gives them to children with life problems. It's the other side of the coin.
Greed shouldn't have a part to play. It shouldn't even be on the bench.
I have a Gooner season ticket holder mate who gives his unwanted tickets to charity. I beleive the charity then gives them to children with life problems. It's the other side of the coin.
Greed shouldn't have a part to play. It shouldn't even be on the bench.
Chelsea, Everton and Man City all have deals in place with StubHub - the difference is they cap the price that tickets can be sold at, whilst we had people asking for several hundred quid for tickets to the Swansea match.
Surely if people don't pay, the problem will go away. If anyone is daft enough to pay £1200 for a game of football, then why not? As long as the people selling are season ticket holders, and not touts.
Well said SD, it's supply and demand, if people are daft enough to pay silly money for what is usually a poor atmosphere and dispiriting experience, good luck to them. Maybe they'll get behind the team more than the 'regulars' they're replacing. In my experience at the Lane over the last 5 or so years, it won't be difficult.
If we had a crowd that got behind the team properly, then i'd be all against Stub Hub, but ATM, I couldn't care less.
Watch the game down the pub if you want some atmosphere, don't waste it on Stub Hub. I prefer watching us at home to being at the ground these days, I can sing and shout all I want, try doing that at Spurs these days. You're seen as some kind of lunatic in most parts of the ground (I do admit I am a bit of a lunatic BTW
Maybe, if we ever get this new stadium, we'll get some proper atmosphere back at the Lane, and the Stub Hub situation wiill look different. I doubt it though. The clubs, the government(s), the football authorities are out to kill atmosphere by their policies, so can't see anything changing much.
Totally disagree. Just because you want something it doesn't mean you should be held by your ankles and shook upside down until they've got every penny out of you.
It's disgusting that people are being allowed to legally tout tickets.
Well said SD, it's supply and demand, if people are daft enough to pay silly money for what is usually a poor atmosphere and dispiriting experience, good luck to them. Maybe they'll get behind the team more than the 'regulars' they're replacing. In my experience at the Lane over the last 5 or so years, it won't be difficult.
If we had a crowd that got behind the team properly, then i'd be all against Stub Hub, but ATM, I couldn't care less.
Watch the game down the pub if you want some atmosphere, don't waste it on Stub Hub. I prefer watching us at home to being at the ground these days, I can sing and shout all I want, try doing that at Spurs these days. You're seen as some kind of lunatic in most parts of the ground (I do admit I am a bit of a lunatic BTW
Maybe, if we ever get this new stadium, we'll get some proper atmosphere back at the Lane, and the Stub Hub situation wiill look different. I doubt it though. The club are out to kill atmosphere by their policies, so can't see anything changing.
I've never known someone to hate Spurs fans so much, you even make Arsenal fans on derby day seem pleasant. If you were prepared to give Spurs fans some credit for one millisecond you might note that the atmosphere has gone down as prices have gone up and fans who have been going for years have given up their ST.
There are more important principles then supply and demand. It's a very blunt way of looking at things so with that in mind maybe everything should be auctioned on eBay, may the richest man win.
Oh and selling the last ticket or two for thousands of times the value of the ticket is not "supply and demand", it's out and out exploitation.
While I agree that it is exploitation, it is also supply and demand. One of the things that always confuses me is that almost everyone in the country votes for political parties that support naked capitalism and anyone who argues against that is called a looney. But as soon as naked capitalism is applied to anything they actually care about they are up in arms. Not a criticism of you YV, just a generalisation.
Incidentally this has been legal for Wimbledon debenture tickets for years, but it is not allowed for Wimbledon ballot tickets or Club Wembley tickets - these you are not allowed to sell on except via the Club Wembley web-site which restricts the price you can charge.
Men's final debenture tickets at Wimbledon were going at more than £3,000 last time I looked. I've seen a serious argument that Wimbledon should price the tickets currently sold in the ballot at 'what the market will bear' on the grounds that this would raise more money to develop British tennis.
Well said SD, it's supply and demand, if people are daft enough to pay silly money for what is usually a poor atmosphere and dispiriting experience, good luck to them. Maybe they'll get behind the team more than the 'regulars' they're replacing. In my experience at the Lane over the last 5 or so years, it won't be difficult.
If we had a crowd that got behind the team properly, then i'd be all against Stub Hub, but ATM, I couldn't care less.
Watch the game down the pub if you want some atmosphere, don't waste it on Stub Hub. I prefer watching us at home to being at the ground these days, I can sing and shout all I want, try doing that at Spurs these days. You're seen as some kind of lunatic in most parts of the ground (I do admit I am a bit of a lunatic BTW
Maybe, if we ever get this new stadium, we'll get some proper atmosphere back at the Lane, and the Stub Hub situation wiill look different. I doubt it though. The clubs, the government(s), the football authorities are out to kill atmosphere by their policies, so can't see anything changing much.
You criticise Spurs fans for not getting behind the team, but you're perfectly happy to see them rip each other off on ticket prices. That's hardly conducive to a benevolent Spurs community is it
And surely Stubhub is only going to make the atmosphere problem worse, encouraging more plastics and prawn sandwich brigade. You may be unhappy with the atmosphere now, but you'll be a lot less happy with it when the Stubhub effect kicks in. In my mind you ought to be fervently against it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the system (and I have enjoyed the atmosphere at the Lane, the last few times I've been btw) but the quickest way to end the exploitation is for people to simply ignore silly prices. If people won't pay them, then the practice will stop. Maybe I am missing something and there is something more sinister happening, but if I could buy a season ticket and then get the whole cost covered by one rich idiot and forego just one game, it would be very tempting. Ticket prices are already out of the range of many supporters.
Sorry but it's not. Supply and demand is a macro concept. Touts pick up a handful of tickets during the inital spike of demand and then releasing this far smaller amount of tickets at many times the initial market value of the ticket. It can only ever be a small scale business, if you took it from micro to macro(say buying half the tickets in the ground) then it wouldn't have the same effect. It also involves deliberately manipulating the supply, which is not what supply and demand is about.
I'm not so sure about the lesson though, you might be making a few assumptions about me there. As for the Wimbledon bit depends how wrong you think touting is, if I mugged a granny but gave the money to charity then I've still committed a crime.
It's all very well saying we should act as one conscience but it doesn't work. If we all only ate what we needed then we could feed the world, if people aren't prepared to act as one to save millions of lives then they're probably not going to do it to save a few people getting ripped off over tickets.
Anyway, I just don't like the idea of shifting the blame to the customer for being willing to pay extra. If you were buying a present for someone and the cashier overheard and put the price up knowing you needed to buy it that day, is that your fault if you pay the extra? There are plenty of reasons that people can be willing to pay more or less than normal but to intentionally exploit those final few customers is cruel. It's not necessarily some rich yuppie that's buying the tickets either and even if it was there are other people that miss out the ticket because they can't afford the inflated price, they suffer through it too.
The club isn't a pure competitive product, either. Clubs depend upon the loyalty of fans, so they shouldn't be happy to see it exploited in this manner.
The economics text books always allow for rare resources to be sold at hefty prices. Just to be clear I agree with you that this shouldn't be allowed - I was simply musing that people should take notice that if 'the market' gives such silly results in such an unimportant matter as football tickets, then may be it isn't the right answer for important stuff either.
Fair enough. I still don't agree that it counts as a rare resource because it's artificially made rare by a supplier holding some back which are to be sold later, creating a spike in price which doesn't match the spike in demand.
I appreciate what you're saying though and whilst I think I'd agree with what you're saying about the problems highlighted by this case, in capitalism's defence this should be illegal and is in most forms.
Don't understand why the club can't just add a section on to the site for buying tickets from ST holders.
Just take a small handling fee £5-10 to cover admin and be done with it.
Then again, I don't understand why the government cant find adequate people to manage railways lines and services instead of us getting ripped off by Cartels..sorry companies.
Why can't they employ people to do the same thing Virgin, South eastern etc do, but put all profits back into better services, trains, lines etc?
rant over....
Just take a small handling fee £5-10 to cover admin and be done with it.
Then again, I don't understand why the government cant find adequate people to manage railways lines and services instead of us getting ripped off by Cartels..sorry companies.
Why can't they employ people to do the same thing Virgin, South eastern etc do, but put all profits back into better services, trains, lines etc?
rant over....
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