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I love how DL can be so puritanical about tennis, but when it comes to Chelsea it's just about getting the result. When Chelsea won the Champions League with their boring, unimaginative football you didn't complain - what's the difference with Tennis' big servers (who by the way also actually have to break their opponents serve to win <doh>)

If boring and unimaginative football makes us the joint 2nd highest scorers ever in the competition (under this format) that's fine by me <ok>

All I'm saying is a big serve isn't as decisive on other surfaces as it is with grass. Grass court tennis is based ENTIRELY on the serve, whereas on the other surfaces it isn't.
 
No, what we saw was 1 and arguably 2 past their best, and one hampered by an injury. In past years each have had no problem whatsoever blowing away everything thrown at them, big serves an all! so I don't see your reasoning re the surface. Serve and volley, and baseline huggers have both won Wimbledon, so it does not favour a style and a true great player imo can just play the game regardless whats under his feet. At the same time it will also lead to certain players favouring a particular surface, but I don't see it as a problem, and for me does not detract from the sport overall, adds to it if anything. <ok>

"Grass court tennis is pretty much brainless ball bashing which favours big servers, accelerators and big hitters that can hit it low and flat thus negating the little bounce there actually is on grass. Previously it was the Serve & Volley that reigned supreme."

DL, this has to be the worst description of Wimbledon I've ever read, sorry but it is.
Roger Federer a brainless ball-basher??
Favours big servers??, the 2 fastest recorded servers Andy Roddick and Roscoe Tanner never won it.
The only thing you have right and I feel thats more by luck than judgement, is serve n volley was more prevalent in past years, but the modern power tennis is just progression coming from modern fitness and coaching. Most physical games have evolved, so I can't see the need to say anymore to say on this.

Ivanisevic won it serving a record 212 aces throughout the tournament. I'm not calling Federer a brainless ball basher, but grass suits him because he is instinctive and you get less time to prepare for each shot on grass than you do on the other 2 because the surface plays quicker.
 
If boring and unimaginative football makes us the joint 2nd highest scorers ever in the competition (under this format) that's fine by me <ok>

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Being effective doesn't mean being exciting.
 
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Hopscotch? <laugh>

Only kidding, good to see he's on his way to recovery. I think you'd have come top 4 with him in your midfield instead of Parker. He'll be like a new signings for you.
 
Hopscotch? <laugh>

Only kidding, good to see he's on his way to recovery. I think you'd have come top 4 with him in your midfield instead of Parker. He'll be like a new signings for you.

Him and Kaboul will be huge improvements on the side that finished the season. No doubt we'd have been top 4 with him.
 
Ivanisevic won it serving a record 212 aces throughout the tournament. I'm not calling Federer a brainless ball basher, but grass suits him because he is instinctive and you get less time to prepare for each shot on grass than you do on the other 2 because the surface plays quicker.

You've taken 24 hrs trawling to come up with one instance in the last 20 years...hardly supporting your claim is it DL. You may well enjoy watching tennis, but with out being insulting on your opinions, I'm gonna leave this as I just don't agree with your understanding of it.

I could watch brain-surgery, but I'd still have no clue whats going on! nor would I try convincing people that I did.
 
Ivanisevic won it serving a record 212 aces throughout the tournament. I'm not calling Federer a brainless ball basher, but grass suits him because he is instinctive and you get less time to prepare for each shot on grass than you do on the other 2 because the surface plays quicker.

Ivanisevic wouldn't win on these slow courts, irrelevant
 
Tennis has changed from the days when Krajicek or Ivanisevic could win it. The best at present are predominantly baseline players with strong all round games, who have honed their skills on hard courts. Djokovic are Murray are brilliant returners whatever the speed of the serve.

The grass has changed too. It isn't as fast and doesn't favour the big servers like it did. Grass doesn't play hugely differently from the hard court surfaces now; only the slow clay courts represent a different challenge. Obviuosly grass can be become slippy, as we've seen last week, but that's a separate issue.
 
You've taken 24 hrs trawling to come up with one instance in the last 20 years...hardly supporting your claim is it DL. You may well enjoy watching tennis, but with out being insulting on your opinions, I'm gonna leave this as I just don't agree with your understanding of it.

I could watch brain-surgery, but I'd still have no clue whats going on! nor would I try convincing people that I did.

I didn't take 24 hours. Wasn't active as I was moving out. Whatever way you look at it, grass massively favours the big servers.
 
<laugh> qualified coach!! <laugh> fack orf!! <laugh>

If you are, you're a **** one, hence why you babble a loada rubbish on here instead of coaching a top player!

You even said Wimbledon wasn't prestigious, the least thought of, of the 4! there isn't a tennis coach on the planet that would say that....indeed even you started back-pedalling furiously on your ludicrous first spouting.

You sir are full of crap! and your understanding of the game from the guff on here is rudimentary at best. If we were face to face now in a pub, I'd expose you as a fraud in one minute!
 
if you're a qualified LTA coach how come you can't grasp the concept that the grass courts of the 90s were light years faster than todays? Its not a secret, they did it on purpose (along with fluffying up the balls) to encourage longer rallies.
 
<laugh> qualified coach!! <laugh> fack orf!! <laugh>

If you are, you're a **** one, hence why you babble a loada rubbish on here instead of coaching a top player!

You even said Wimbledon wasn't prestigious, the least thought of, of the 4! there isn't a tennis coach on the planet that would say that....indeed even you started back-pedalling furiously on your ludicrous first spouting.

You sir are full of crap! and your understanding of the game from the guff on here is rudimentary at best. If we were face to face now in a pub, I'd expose you as a fraud in one minute!

Grow up
 
LOL I've just revisited this thread to see you are still talking about grass court tennis.

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if you're a qualified LTA coach how come you can't grasp the concept that the grass courts of the 90s were light years faster than todays? Its not a secret, they did it on purpose (along with fluffying up the balls) to encourage longer rallies.

When have I denied they weren't? It's well known all the courts are slower and it was done for the better, people would rather see players playing tennis than serve bots whacking it down the T every service point. Most genuine tennis fans agree the 2008 Wimbledon + 2009 & 2012 Australian finals are up there with the greatest of all time. People would rather watch a Rogee Federer than a Tim Henman. That's the way tennis has gone but IMO the game has improved because of it.
 
alternatively DL, you could learn to change the subject when just about everyone disagrees with your point, and learn that perhaps you aren't right.

it's not the first time mate! <laugh>

I do admire the way you never give up though. <ok>