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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by ShelfSideSpur, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    It shouldn't be making any errors.
    They've got two top officials on VAR for every PL match. They still **** it up every week.
    The problem is not the technology.
     
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  2. PowerSpurs

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    Given the state of the Laws and the ruling that VAR can only overturn clear errors there is always going to be subjectivity...I agree that the technology isn't the issue. They should go through the Laws to make them completely clear and then overturn all incorrect decisions.
     
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  3. Billy The Spur

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    It`s a combination of the officials not wanting to make their colleagues look stupid, bottling decisions against certain clubs for fear of the inevitable shiete storm that will follow, and incompetence. I also do not think the technology is accurate enough to be making toe nail offside decisions, how do we know if the clown in the studio is drawing those lines accurately and ascertaining the precise moment the ball leaves the foot is almost impossible, there needs to be some margin of error built into it. The whole VAR system is also open to abuse, and the fact the officials are not required to face the media and explain their comical decision making just gives them free licence to do what they want.
     
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    I support it too. Just needs to be done better. Even if you accept there is bias, the one thing VAR does is give them a chance to rethink. With one ref, it was even worse.
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

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    Their wild inconsistency is the problem. It's got worse since Webb returned, too.
    What's "clear" varies dramatically. Jota "clearly" should've been sent off against us, for example.
    They're just doing what they've always done, which is nowhere near good enough.
     
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  6. PowerSpurs

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    The Laws apparently need to say 'kicking an opponent in the head is serious foul play and must be punished by a red card'.
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    There's short delays and then there's the 5-7minute stoppages we routinely see which kill the flow and atmosphere of a game. I personally feel it won't be long until we start seeing commercial pressure to show adverts during VAR breaks and for said breaks to have a minimum time of 30 seconds.

    It may make fewer errors, but there is always the 'argument from proportionality' which would argue that the level of technology and scrutiny available with VAR means that any errors it does make are magnified tenfold compared to errors made before it was implemented, so even if for example errors have dropped by 75%, controversy and fan satisfaction/uproar have probably risen by more than this, thus nullifying the gain.

    I've always felt VAR should be used in the same way as the Challenge system in tennis, whereby a dugout (who are all watching the game on iPads from multiple TV angles anyway) is allocated 2-4 challenges which they can 'redeem' in the course of a game to potentially overturn a decision by the on-field officials. I think this would add a layer of excitement, remove a layer of opacity, increase fan buy in as it's their own coaching staff making the call, and allow more room for human 'error' which is especially important to me in the offside rule where currently the attacker is penalised for having a big nose.
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    Has there ever been a 5 minute delay?
    I think that's an exaggeration. If that's the biggest issue then put the VAR in charge and do away with the ref going to the monitor.
    Football is the sport where mistakes in officiating are most likely to affect results while it's been the slowest to adopt technology.
    On offside the solution is obvious...put transponders in boots and change the rule so that those are the offside measure and call offside automatically or via a signal to the onfield officials.
     
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    It's not always a red card, though.
    Studs up, face on, at head height with plenty of time to see what's happening, on the other hand?
    Absolutely stonewall.

    We all knew it wasn't going to be given, though. Why would that be?
     
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  11. Citizen Kane.

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    I believe the longest delay in the PL is close to 4mins which is already ludicrous and makes a mockery of the 'clear and obvious error' gospel. Other leagues have seen much longer delays, iirc Scotland, Holland and one CL match all came close to 6 minutes.

    Transponders in boots helps as it pertains to the main body part that is of advantage to the attacker. But it still won't explain what advantage an attacker has if his body weight is moving away from goal while the defender is moving towards it but with his foot a centimetre behind the attacker's. Simple physics dictates that the defender still has the upper hand in that scenario, yet it will be given as offside unless the attacker plays for Liverpool.
     
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    There is no way of defining a line decision other than on or off though. Personally I don't think offside should apply if the second last offender is running away from his goal. But these are actually the least worse things about the Laws which seem to be written to encourage cheating and discourage skill.
     
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    Did I hear correctly, Gary Neville's going to be a Dragon on Dragons Den !!!! Hope he's a better entrepreneur than football manager
     
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    I see today that Twitter appear to have fully disabled
    people without account login to browse anything at all.

    I know they have been "boiling the frog" on this
    (for some weeks the search functions + click thru on
    trend links have been disabled for non-login) ,
    but a quick search today does not show any mass
    harrumphing on this.

    I was wondering whether users who do have login
    accounts have been officially notified this was coming.
     
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  15. Spurs61

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    What is Twitter?
     
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    Try asking HBIC, he seems obsessed by it.
     
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  17. The RDBD

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    What do you see when you put the following in your web browser :

    twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1674040361373630464
     
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    A method of reducing people who have a lot to say for themselves to a few words or making the unimportant think people are interested in what they say.
     
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  19. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Twitter (more usually referred to as Twatter) is a social media platform generally used by ignorant loudmouths to express their ill-conceived opinions in soundbite form.
     
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    And today's award for Saddest ****er in our Fanbase goes to...
     
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