Off Topic Bill Nicholson Arms

There are still plenty of mugs out there, and when they stop going there will be a never ending supply of tourists to take their tickets, which is Levy`s fantasy, a stadium full of consumers who do not care if the football team wins or not.

 

Top 6 trophies before 2000/Levy & the misery of ENIC:

Liverpool - 35
Man Utd - 28
Arsenal - 21
Tottenham - 16
Chelsea - 10
Man City - 9

Total as of today:

Liverpool - 50 (+15)
Man Utd - 44 (+16)
Arsenal - 30 (+9)
Tottenham - 17 (+1)
Chelsea - 28 (+18)
Man City - 23 (+14)

Nice stadium full of consumers though.

 

Now list the other clubs.
You're basically pointing out that Wenger and Ferguson did well, then got wiped by oil money.
The next most successful clubs in English history would be Everton and Villa.
Neither won anything in that time period.

Wolves, Blackburn, Newcastle, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, West Brom, Leeds...
You have to get down to Leicester to find a trophy win.

 

< Cathy Newman >

So you're saying, that since ENIC bought Spurs
the "Sky 4" + Citeh have collectively won nearly all
the domestic trophies that were up for grabs ... ??

 

The stadium is actually full of people like me who had been years on the season ticket wasting list until we had owners who built a proper stadium so I could finally get a ticket and then enjoy watching our best series of league finishes since the 60s instead of the dross we put up with in the 90s.

 

I don't know, the dross in the 90s usually had enough free seats for me to make my first few trips

Then I got lazy and just went to Wimbledon away matches...

 

In order to compete with the oil money the stadium had to come first. Levy also has to ensure that we stay within the regulations.
He has built a training centre to launch a proper challenge from rather than sharing with a sewage works in Chigwell and whatever you think of him Spurs are now in the top 20 wealthiest clubs in the world. I'd rather be there than be sold for £1 to fekking AMS

 

Meantime we have achieved the best league positions in our history
50s & 60s = 7th
60s & 70s = 9th
70s & 80s = 10th
80s & 90s = 9th
90s & 00s = 10th
00s & 10s = 7th
10s & 20s = 4.5th

Which tends to rubbish the argument that under ENIC we are not competative.

The Oil and Gas money has distorted the league anyway so the competition has been much harder than in the past because we are competing with clubs with almost unlimited resources. So much so that even UEFA had to try to impose limits.

So much effort to try to rubbish ENIC is such a waste of time. You are supposed to be following football for fun, If you are using it as some type of personal success substitute then be prepared to continue to be disappointed or simply switch your allegiance to City.

 

Also why would ENIC employ people like Mourinho and Conte at great expense if they were not interested in being competitive and win things? They would surely just look for cheaper up and coming managers wouldn't they?

 

Paying their wages for 3 years would just about cover what City paid us for Kyle Walker, coming up 5 years ago...

Top coaches are cheap, when compared with purchasing a top squad.

 

How come the last line of your comment is not showing in the post?

Yes but we are still talking millions and players are a potential investment whereas managers are an out and out cost.

 

I'm magic...

Top players are going to ask in excess of £10m, possibly £15m in wages, on top of their transfer fee.

It's cheaper for Levy to sack Poch and bring in Mourinho (who said he could get the club back in the CL with the existing squad) than to fund 'a painful rebuild' and the wages for those top players.

Our current problem is that Levy appointed another manager with a large salary and a history of walking, who demands players be turned over at a level and rate that we've no history of complying with...and the cracks are beginning to show

 

A "top coach" who can mould any given squad into performing
far greater than the on paper "sum of the parts" suggests
is possible, is very cheap indeed.

Have Spurs had any such coaches in the past 20-30 years .... ??

 

If we haven't, Daniel Levy's a ****ing moron for what he's been paying them.

 

Being happy with a series of healthy league finishes is a loser`s mentality and accepting of mediocrity (mirrors our owners actually), and all while paying the highest ticket prices in world football is playing straight into ENIC`s hands, more fool you. The dross of the 90`s was indeed dross, but dross that returned more trophies than 23 years of ENIC.

 

Because in Levy`s eyes, a top class coach can polish turds and turn water into wine, which is cheaper than buying better players, he can also offer managers shorter contracts, and it also gives the fans a false impression of ambition to win silverware. Levy doesn`t get that top managers and top players go hand in hand.

 

That's because a coach's job is to get that little bit extra out of players

Take a look at Calum Chambers or Morgan Schneiderlin for a couple of obvious examples of this. They were coached so they could be integral to Southampton's system and looked like they would take their form to the clubs who paid through the nose for them - but instead they revealed that they were coached to be that much better than they were, and that coaching did not exist at their new clubs

 

Absolute bollocks. I don't want us to be satisfied with winning cups. I want us to be challenging for the Premier League and the Champions League. As Bill Nicholson said, you need to aim high so that even failure has an echo of glory. That's exactly what ENIC are doing.
You are confusing outcomes with objectives. Winning cups comes from relatively few matches so is not a good measure of performance. The League is the gold standard. So you are the one that is satisfied with mediocrity.
I also note that rather than trying to rebut my logic you descend to implying I am a fool. That speaks for itself.
But I will ask again the question that no anti-ENIC fan ever answers....how on earth would you deliberately manage to improve league position while at the same time reducing the chance of winning trophies? You are literally accusing ENIC of doing the impossible.

 

Fa cup 1991 was in the SCHOLAR era, and was
solely due to a world class player single-handedly
dragging Spurs to Wembley via his own brilliance.

The Sugar era resulted in one League cup win.
Exactly the same as the ENIC era.

I've had as much enjoyment watching Spurs
in the league and in UEFA land in the ENIC era
as I did watching Spurs in the 80s.

 

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