best and weakest full strength midfield

You leaked so many goals last season and it seems to be the same this year as well. You out score the other teams because of your strike force.

You're a complete moron if you actually think United's CM is better then Arsenal.

 

Your defence isn't great, but it was FAR better than ours last season, so stop skipping out facts like that to suit you.

Also that last point reeks of desperation, your going to get use 8 games to extrapolate info for 38 games? Give me a break.

 

I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out what you mean with your fractured english and terrible writing style.

The one thing i can notice at first glance is you try to use an example of the 2010/11 teams to support your view of Utd having a better midfield. Now ignoring the fact that we are talking about this season's squads in this thread and that the 2010/11 teams have no baring whatsoever on the discussion here - i'll point out that Cesc was the best midfielder in the league and so comparing a midfield 3 of Song/Cesc/wilshere with Carrick and a past his best Scholes just shows how ridiculous you are.

Your reply just backed up my view that you have no knowledge of football. And your also completely incapable of understanding the most basic logic. You answer one persons point with something totally different and irrelevant. So far you have tried to use the 2010/11 sqauds, strikers and wingers and all kinds of other ridiculous things for why Utd have a better MIDFIELD THIS season.

Honestly i don't know why myself or anyone wastes there time replying to you - you lack any ability to discuss opinions and seem totally incapable of following the most simple of discussions.

I'm going to make this nice and easy for you so you can piss off from our board and stop hurting my eyes with your nonsense.

Utd's CURRENT CENTRALLY located MIDFIELD players: Cleverly, Carrick, Scholes, Kagawa

Arsenals CURRENT CENTRALLY located MIDFIELD players: Cazorla, Arteta, Wilshere, Diaby, Ramsey, Rosicky

Arteta has the best passing statistics this season in the league and one of the best currently in europe. Anyone who watches him play can see his quality. Cazorla has created more goal scoring opportunities than any other player in the league this season (or he had done as of before the Norwich game, not sure how it looks now) and is widely regarded as one of the best signings of the summer window - he is a revelation to the league. Both of these players who satrt for Utd as first choice. That isn't even mentioning Wilshere or Diaby who would also start every game for Utd - Ramsey and Rosicky would play alot as well. There really isn't any competition. Anyone but them ost blind of Utd fans can see that Arsenal have the better starting and back-up midfield players.

Carrick isn't that great - recently he has been woeful. Scholes is well past it - he can pick out a good pass but isn't mobile enough and can't do a full 90 mins (it's like Gerrard, he can still pick out a pass but is clearly past his best). And cleverly has put in some decent shifts recently but realistically anyone would take any of the Arsenal midfielders over him. The one player i do rate highly in the Utd midfield is Kagawa who i think has alot to offer, great little player but not as good as Cazorla.

Now what are the chances that Shwan will reply to this thread but manage to completely ignore any valid points raised and answer them with some random bit of information that hasn othing to do with the thread.

PLEASE read through threads before you randomly reply with crap - oh and keep working on your writing style -with a little effort people may have an idea of what your talking about..

 

shwan your still being a ******....

This thread is about midfield... why do you keep using past results and strikers and defenders and all sorts of other crap to justify Utd haveing a good midfield?

And then you prove your total lack of knowledge by suggesting Arteta was a Fabregas replacement..... AW actually tryed to buy Cazorla as the Cesc replacement but Malaga got him. Arteta was brought in to steady the midfield not to be the creative influence.... sigh

 

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And i've just picked up on another ridiculous bit of logic from you:

You talk about how when a player is doing well everyone thinks he is good and when they start making mistakes they arent. You used Almunia as an example. He played well and then you say A FEW SEASONS LATER HE STARTS LETTING IN SILLY GOALS, now all this suggests is the player had soem good form and then lost that - funnily enough players ability does go up and down. Look at Liverpool as an example, Reina was seen as competing for the best GK in the league a few seasons ago but over the last year he has made some very Almunia like mistakes. This does happen. It doesn't mean that those players where never good because they hit a dip in form or that they dont manage to get back to the previous level of experience.

Kaka was the best player in the world and now he is far from it - does that mean he was never any good and that the fans got it wrong and over-ratedh im? No of course not. Honestly think before you write. The more you talk the more stupid you look...

 

CENTRAL MIDFIELD. Stop bringing up Valenica/Nani and Young. The discussion about wide players/Wingers is on the other thread.

 

He came to replace nobody. We needed more depth in CM and that's why we brought him.

 

You're an idiot. FFS I'm so mad right now trying to argue with you.

Arsenal have a better midfield but you still have a better defence + wingers.

 

Omg shwan yuour a ******. Plain and simple. I even put the important bits in caps for yoiu, but you seem incapable of reading. You sir are a fool.

Go back and read my comment again and then try again.

As funnily enough im fully aware that Valencia and Nani play for Utd as first team regulars on the WINGS. Considering thsi dicussion is about players in the middle of the pitch - not strikers, not wingers, not defenders, i suggest you go back and see why everyone thinks your a total ****** for repeatedly bringing up players who do not play in the position we are discussing.

Again i'll say that the 2010/11 team has no baring at all on who has the better current midfield. You also seem to be missing the difference between better overall squad and better midfield. No-one is questioning Utd's success or there chances at trophies or that they are one of the teams you need to beat to have a chance at the league. No-one is questioning the quality of Utd's wingers, forwards or defence. What we are saying is that in CM you have terrible options, aweful depth and are not on the same level os Arsenal, City or Chelsea. This does not mean you are not as good. This does not mean you will lose. This does not mean we will finish above you. This does not mean any other ridiculous nonsense logic you try to come up with. IT IS SIMPLE: ARSENAL HAVE THE BETTER "MIDFIELD" - we are not including wide players or strikers.

Once again = if its not clear fel free to go back and read my previous reply which explains it very clearly for you.

 

The OP made his point clear in post 7, FFS.

 

And Arteta was brought inm to give stability and depth to our midfield. We needed someone with experience and grit.

Gervinho was brought in to cover the gap left by Nasri. Fabregas has only just been replaced by Cazorla and it was up to Ramsey to fill his shoes last season which is why Ramsey has taken so much stick as he had alot to live up to.

 

You're just infuriating to argue againts.

No player in the United midfield would get into Arsenal's.

 

Because of your amazing wingers and strike force.

 

He like everyone else apart from you are talking about CM/AM's, ffs. The OP made THAT point in the first page, if you can bother to read. The discussion about wingers/wide players is on the other thread. Your failure to read is nothing short of embarrassing. And this thread is just now going around in circles and has got tedious. Has well and truly run it's course.