Correct. But Levy has demonstrated, on several occasions, that he won't hold on to a player in circumstances where that player no longer wants to play for Spurs. Like Peace, he wants to get the best price for the player, but someone has always come along and paid that price. The offer that (we are led to believe) Levy made for Berahino was not a derisory offer, and Peace - as he is perfectly entitled to do - turned it down. I really don't know what we are arguing about! All I am saying, is that Peace will leave WBA - unless there is anyone, here, who genuinely believes that he will stay? If another club comes in for Berahino that is prepred to pay more for him, Peace will try to off-load him to that club. But that will come down to whether or not Berahino wants to go to that club; if he doesn't, then Peace will be forced to sell at Levy's price, or run the risk of Levy getting him for free. Please, rather than continue to attempt to wum me, point out to me what is wrong with my analysis?
Of course, that's the point of a forum, but it seems to me that when I reply to you or ask something, I don't get a straight reply/answer just you re-hashing what you've said in the last few posts, just my opinion. And okay, so if it IS black and white, were we wrong to not sell Morgan to you for £8-10m? or was it the wrong decision for you to deny Modric the Chelsea move? Cos from my viewpoint they were both good decisions from selling clubs point of view. As I said earlier, I think you need to look at these situations in isolation, different players, different personalities, these situations aren't always the same. I agree that in a lot of the situations, it can be best to do what you say n just get it done asap to get the player out of the club. But to use that as a starting point and to say it's definitely the right course of action everytime is just plain wrong and simplistic in my opinion.
Business has to be tempered with pragmatism. The fact is that Peace now has a player who doesn't want to play for the club and is, in fact, threatening to go on strike. Leaving aside that fact, what is all this doing to dressing room morale? Berahino is hardly going to be number one on the other player's birthday card list either. He is now left with a highly dissatisfied, demotivated asset that will depreciate sharply after January, as the contract goes into its last 18 months. I respeat, in my view, Peace should have at least tried to negotiate a deal, instead of just stubbornly saying 'not for sale'. Maybe, it would still never have happened, but he would have shown that he realizes the situation the club is in.
That's all fine and dandy, provided that another club, who Berahino wants to play for, comes in for him, in January. But what if they don't? Let's say that Stoke or West Ham come in for him, in the January window, as well as Spurs, but that both Stoke and the Spanners offer more for him than Levy, do you think that Berahino will move to either Stoke or Spanners? Or do you think he will wait until next Summer, when he can buy himself out of his contract cheaply?
I was going to edit it, but the last thing I need is the Chief of the Edit Police hard on my ass, again!
Not quite that simple Gonz mate, is it? I understand your reasoning, but this isn't a property, or a car we're talking about, it's a human being. If you want people to work for you in any walk of life they have to be motivated and ready to do so. O.k. Most ordinary people work because they have to - they need the money, so motivation isn't quite as necessary - although it helps if they have it. That's not the case here. We're talking about a bunch of multi millionaires, who lets face it never have to work again, if they so choose. Whether we like it, or not., they're in a completely different situation.
So he doesn't get paid then, I can see WBA being quite happy with that and the player not being too happy at all, I imagine all sorts of bonuses will be null and void as well? I wonder why the said player didn't hand in a transfer request? Oh! I know it's because he would lose money but wouldn't it be worth doing so that he can have his dream move? ****ing lad is a twat, I wouldn't want him at my club.
I don't know what the player's views on the matter, as I didn't follow the story. I take it, however, that the manager and/or chairman managed to persuade the player to stay? No, it clearly wasn't the wrong decision, because Modric didn't create any fuss, gave us another great season, and the we sold him to Real, who isn't a rival of ours. Clearly, the manager and/or chairman managed to reach some kind of agreement with the player that suited all parties. I'm not psychic, but I kinda get the feeling that Berahino isn't happy with Peace, so this is a very different scenario to the ones you have given as examples.
I agree, chucking his toys is not the way to play it. He did put in a transfer request and it was rejected. As I've pointed out in my other post, these guys are all multi millionaires anyway. They can afford to do things that we can't
Yeah there are lots of situations to consider and as much as players piss me off there's also the millionaire owners to consider who are probably used to getting their own way. But if I look at it as a fan, my club pay the wages, the player agrees to wages and contract stipulations, if he wants out he should hand in a request if there is an offer made and he wants to leave. We then have a starting point, the club then should be clear on his price and an agreement made that suits all parties. Players want it all ways and I like the stance that some clubs have made lately.
Berahino did put in a transfer request, and it was refused. The player has made it clear, in more ways than one, that he wants out of WBA.
He wanted the move, we said no under any circumstances (as too many had already left) He stropped, went on twitter "6 years with club all ruined in one conversation" - kicked off for a bit, was left out a few squads, after a while realised he was only hurting his own career so decided to get on with it. Gave us another great season then got his move to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Agree re. Berahino not being happy but like Luv said, new tv money n that, maybe it's worth losing a few million to send out a message to the big boys/other players.
The transfer request should be made immeadiately at the point of any offer if a player wants to leave, the club then know the players wishes and can look for a replacement. The whole process is a mess at the moment and needs to be sorted out, get FSA in and have a big script read out by a robot on the phone. It would go a little like this. You're through to WBA how can I help? Levy - Ummm, Hi! I'd like to buy Berahino? Please hold. WBA are protected by the Financial Service Authority, bids for it's players are subject to terms and conditions outlined in the financial guidelines in place to protect the club. If you would like to purchase one of our players please press 1. Levy - Ummm, beep. Thank you we now have some further options, for Rondon press 1, for Foster press 2 for all other players please press 0 Levy - Umm 0, Beep. Thank you, all other players are currently unavailable and purchases will only be considered if financial considerations are met, if you still want to buy a player press 1. Levy - FFS 1 beep. Thank you, if you are calling from Arsenal press 1, if you are calling from Aston Villa press 2.......... Levy - ****ing hell, ########### You have selected an incorrect option please hold while we conect you to an operator........... Hello you're through to Tony Pulis what you want butty? Levy - Hi! It's Mr Levy from Spurs. **** off you nonce!
But the price you are claiming we offered (or indeed the fact that we made a bid at all) is just rumour. Clearly if we only bid £8m then you were right to turn it down. I'm just not sure we did. Arsenal were also very keen on him - did they make a bigger offer? As I recall, CL was a prerequisite for him as your fans made a point of telling us. It could well have been Arsenal that caused all the rumpus.
This Summer was him saying only CL football, last year he was definitely up for joining Poch at Spurs. On the actual price of course it's all hearsay really just a rough guide to go on, either way I doubt you offered the £25m we got for him eventually, so it worked out better for both player and club.
In his rant, he didn't mention us though. Arsenal were just as interested before the rise of Coquelin?
It depends on how you look at it, Arsenal were said to be interested for a long time but it appeared no serious bids came in. Again it's all down to speculation but I'm almost certain he would of joined you had the 2 clubs done a deal.
