Think you are slightly off kilter here Roger. Surely it is a case of put your own house in order FIRST. Then your focus can widen to other countries such as you mention. Surely we cannot criticize China before we have ‘spring-cleaned’ our own bog. KTF
Who are you suggesting should "stamp it out in the countries that are the biggest offenders"? You surely can't be advocating now bothering with anti-racism movements in the UK because it's much bigger problem in the likes of Africa, Arab countries, Russia etc? Wow - you say that people promoting/believing in/championing the cause of Black Lies Matter are mentally weak and feeble?
Absolutely. Also, I don't think BLM/Anti-racism needs to be compartmentalised like that - we shouldn't be looking at racism in the UK being any different to racism in Russia, or Italy, or Brazil. It's a global problem that needs people to wake up and stop treating others differently because of the colour of their skin, their religious beliefs or customs
Here what your saying - just pointing out that to criticize another state while doing nowt in your own is tantamount to hypochracy. KTF
you could be right have you ever went to a disco in Brixton and thrown out because your white, or tried to get a delicatessen sandwich from the halal shop on Morley st in Bradford and leave with all your teeth in place. or went to play a local waterpolo team in Tower Hamlets went for a beer afterwards but were thrown out for being white, and before any gobshite accuses me of being racist my wife is Kenyan Half my family are black and i do loads of charity work in Kenya look up Keroche Sunderland FC Kenya and ask yourself how did they get that name. when i was in the forces here was no such thing as racism, its just a political ploy to divide and conker, if there was racism in this country blacks wouldn't be in parliament celebrities fashion tv movies doctors you name it , we need to stop pushing this ****
I am not sure sport can be separated from everything else including politics. As somebody once said, ' everything is connected to everything else. Life has many aspects all are linked... Sport and politics get mixed up whether its about apartheid or Saudi trying to sportwash its human rights violations. Politicians pass laws that change who is eligible to play for what team or what sport. As does money...
Referring to black people as "blacks" is racist. Racism DOES exist, it exists in every walk of life. The stories you tell there are also examples of racism directed towards you. Until people are more aware and enlightened, examples such as a white Policeman kneeling on a black man's neck until he dies will continue to happen.
I would argue that a few phone calls have been made that would indicate that all of these various organisations have touched base with each other. There will have loose connections at the very least. But if I'm wrong then, like I said before, the peaceful BLM movement need to distance themselves from the militant wings and changing their slogan and their military style salute, which will go a long way towards getting folk like me on board. Take the Suffragettes. They were never gonna get anywhere so long as a section of their ranks were performing terrorist acts. WW1 got women the vote, not the suffragettes. Its the case today. So long as folk riot whenever a black man is, rightly or wrongly, killed by the police, then BLM will never get full support, because they will always be linked to rioting and looting. Take for example the below, sorry if its too long: When Rodney Applewhite didn't show up on Thanksgiving weekend, his mother grew concerned. Family members checked the news and found a story about a man shot by New Mexico State Police in Los Lunas, and they worried that it might be Applewhite. It wasn't long before their fears were confirmed: the 25-year-old had been killed during a traffic stop. “He wasn't a thug out on the street, he was a good child. I'm not saying it because it's my nephew,” Applewhite's aunt told a crowd of protesters in Phoenix on Friday. “I don't feel like his life should've been cut short. We are hurting, we are hurting, and we know one thing, that Black lives matter.” The shooting spurred dozens of protesters to hold a car rally outside the governor's mansion in Santa Fe on Friday afternoon – in solidarity with similar rallies in Phoenix, where some of his family resides, and South Bend, Indiana, where Applewhite was from – to demand State Police release video and reports from the Nov. 19 incident. Soon after the events kicked off, authorities obliged, releasing their account and video footage of the Nov. 19 incident. In the video, Applewhite appears to try to grab a sergeant's gun before being fatally shot by State Police officer Gene Gonzales along the Manzano Expressway. He later died at a hospital. “This has been really, really, hard on me because I was expecting my grandson to walk through that door,” Applewhite's grandmother told the crowd. “But you know whatever we do is not going to bring him back but it's going to help another family. … And I'll just say, 'We are not going to stop, because Black lives matter. We're going to keep on keeping on.' ”As vehicles and people surrounded the governor's mansion Friday, they sent out an updated release with lapel and dash camera video of the incident. The release gave more details and identified Applewhite as the victim and 12-year veteran Gonzales – who is on standard administrative leave – as the officer who shot him twice, killing him. State Police spokesman Lt. Mark Soriano said in the release that around 8:30 a.m. an officer observed a car speeding on the Manzano Expressway. The car “abruptly” stopped along the shoulder but when the officer got out of his vehicle, the driver fled, initiating a pursuit. Applewhite drove “in and out” of opposing lanes of traffic, nearly striking a box truck, while avoiding spike strips. The pursuit was then called off and, minutes later, officers responded to reports of a man trying to stop traffic on the Manzano Expressway. Soriano said arriving officers found Applewhite standing in the middle of the road next to the car that had initially fled. “As the officers were trying to talk to the suspect, he kneeled on the ground and made the symbol of a gun with his right hand towards his head,” The video shows Applewhite ignored officers' commands and told the sergeant “you can cuff me.” He then told Gonzales to stay where he was at. As the sergeant went to cuff Applewhite's hand, Applewhite appears to reach for the sergeant's gun and he latches onto something and refuses to let go. Soriano said that Applewhite at that point was trying to pull the gun from the holster. Gonzales, “fearing for the sergeant's life” drew his gun and fired two shots, Soriano said. The officer shot at Applewhite as the two men struggled and then fired another as Applewhite was falling to the ground, the video shows. As the officers called for an ambulance, Applewhite is heard saying, “Can you finish me, please?” and Gonzales replied, “No.” Officers asked Applewhite why he tried to take the gun and he replied, “That's what I thought you were supposed to do.” Soriano said Applewhite tried to stand up and said, “(expletive) you all Mexicans, stupid (expletive), that's why I am coming for all you all.” Soriano said Applewhite then laid down until the ambulance arrived and took him to the hospital, where he died. Soriano said State Police later learned that, around 7:30 a.m. that day, the Valencia County Sheriff's Office responded to a reported burglary – possibly involving Applewhite – on Pueblitos Road in Belen. After the shooting, he said State Police met with the homeowner and learned that a man entered the home and, when confronted, asked, “is this my house?” and if “this was South Bend, Indiana.” Soriano said the homeowner said no and told the man to leave, and he drove away in a car. He said the description of the man and his vehicle – with rear-end damage, an out-of-state license plate and a broken front passenger window – given by the homeowner matched Applewhite. The fact that people are up in arms when a black man is shot by the police, protests before all of the facts are known, even the Aunt & Grandmother are mentioning Black Lives Matter, therefore claiming police brutality. When in fact the guy got what he deserved, there will still be protests as a result of his death. Until BLM release statements on events like these, which are happening regularly, saying that the guy acted like an idiot and lost his life through fault of his own, and they back up and sympathise with the police officers, then they will always cause divisions.
Do you have problems understanding English, Black Lives should concentrate on protesting to the Embassies of the countries where the worst atrocities are committed There are too many Trotsky loving teaches who are poisoning the minds of the young with their political ideology, who hope these people when in society spread the same ****, even trying to change 9 year olds sexual orientation to suit there needs. I would suggest over 90% of people in England would find racism Abhorrent, but i also suggest that 40% of blacks are racist towards whites, they seem to think that calling someone a racist loudly so all can hear, will shut them up hence win an argument. However there are Englishmen with balls who have never done what these idiots accuse us of hence will show our displeasure. Systemic racism does not exist the word systemic is used because no specific instances could be found to fit the argument. I could find more instances of black on white racism than the other way around, that's why the press are trying to bury the facts
Just found out, whilst browsing, that the knee on the neck did not directly cause his death. A combination of drugs and, i think, heart problems did. Still, the length of time that the policeman had his knee on his neck was shocking. Judging by the video evidence he should still have the book thrown at him. He died because he resisted arrest and because of an idiot policeman. Did he die because he was black? Only the officer(s) knows.
in America when a black criminal high on drugs with a list of felonies behind him commits yet another crime, as in that case then try's to argue his way out of yet another arrest and physically resists arrest, its never going to end nicely, much easier to be civil and to accept police action when you know you are wrong, Would you feel the same way if one of our policemen caught the guy who planted the bomber at the Ariana Grande concert, but was by himself and had to subdue him from escaping by kneeling on his neck which killed him is that racist, i ask as i need to know where you draw the line on this ****
I think that is too simplistic an argument. ask yourself why people react so differently when a black man is shot by a white man, than when a white man is shot by another white man? Racism and uprising against racism isn't due to a single incident, this has been happening for centuries. The one example you give may well not have been racially motivated (we will never know) but it's yet another story of white policemen killing black men/women. Every time there is an incident like this, we have people coming out saying that the victim was a criminal, or he provoked the police etc. The fact remains that black people have been oppressed by white people for generations. Slavery, different entrances at schools, having to give up seats on buses, separate drinking fountains in schools fewer rights - this isn't a new phenomena, You talk about BLM as if it's an organisation. As stated previously it's a slogan, it's a cry for help, it's a plea - "please treat black people the same as white people". That's all. Yes, there are people who are militant and use the slogan to push their own anti-establishment agendas with violence, but that sort of thing has been happening since biblical times and shouldn't detract from the average man on the street asking the rest of society to give him the same rights, privileges and respect as everyone else is afforded. Last I'm going to say on the subject
That's a very narrow and specific example - I would suggest that a policemen has the tools and training to restrain a suspect without murdering them. I believe in human rights and justice. Unless you are inventing a time machine or something like the minority report, how would you know for certain that the person who's neck you are kneeling on was going to cause an explosion?
that's a really silly comment made by someone who has never had to deal with restraining a murderer whilst unarmed, that person is going to fight like the devil to escape, and unless you are physical strong and have been well trained to use it you have no chance if just and ordinary plod. It would take a body rap and a strangle hold to subdue and unconsciousness, however this could cause a collapsed thorax leading to death. Would he still be a racist murderer as you would have us believe. You have never watched the George Floyd videos or you would not be talking like the way you are the man was a man mountain high on drugs ask a professional like Smug you really need to open your eyes.
The highlighted statement is the most idiotic thing i have read for a long time, BLM is a reference made by blacks for blacks, i would prefer person of colour however we have what we have not my choice.
This thread alone shows how much damage ‘BLM’ are doing. Sadly the meaning of the knee, which is about equality for all man, is being lost and viewed as support for BLM. You see videos of BLM activists bullying folk in restaurants to raise a fist, that all gets viewed as the same cause, and raises opposition for the support the wider society is given. Clubs and the leagues need to make statements that kind of like that Colchester chairman there reiterate that ‘we support the cause, we support equality, we don’t endorse BLM movement’ That ambiguity is harmful, I very much doubt the Millwall and Colchester fans are against equality. Just as a side note, my black friends refer to themselves as black. Not coloured. That is not racist at all.
