The fa said his story changed that many times he became untrustworthy. The guy was trynig to dig his way out of a huge hole. Even his teamates contridicted what he said
But if the intention behind it is not racist that means it is not racist, just an unfortunate use of words. And if you are black you can use it in a friendly way to be fair.
RVP problem is someone could say something offensive and the person hearing is genuinely upset but the speaker of that comment then claims the context was friendly and they never intended to offend. Does that make it alright and excuse such behaviour?
This is true, but then by his own admission he wouldn't say 'negro' in England cos it might be seen as offensive. So I don't believe he was being racist, but he was definitely aware that he might cause offence by saying it to Evra. Which does put him in violation of the FA rules. No, but it doesn't make that person racist. It just makes them a bit stupid and culturally naive. Same way Rooney wasn't some deranged anger filled nutcase (well, probably not) when he swore into the camera. He was just a stupid scouse imbecile who should've know swearing on live TV was going to get him in trouble.
Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe you are right Swarbs. Anyway I think the whole affair needs to be finished and Suarez takes his punishment like a man. The sooner the ban is accepted the sooner he and Liverpool can move on.
I know some people are trying to defend Suarez especially the scousers fans and picking holes into the commission's report. Of course we can all find faults and we can never get into the person's mindset: why did he do it? what was he thinking of at the time? We can only go with the actions and words spoken. He wanted to wind Evra up. He used the word negro several times in what the commission deemed an offensive context on the pitch. That is against the rules. He got punished. Even though there is no evidence he was a racist. Even though he may be involved in several good causes helping poor people in Africa. The FA cannot move from its position. Any change infavour of Suarez will be seen to be a weakening of FA's position on racism. Any appeal will be doomed to failure.
I agree with that, and I think a fair few Liverpool fans do too. Unfortunately I think it's out of Suarez' hands - what with Liverpool and FSG still aiming for the top four, and Suarez being so important to their team, it's almost certain that they will appeal even if only to try and get a reduced punishment. We did the same thing last year with the Rooney ban - we had no defence against it but still tried to get the ban reduced to get him back for the City match. That said, the whole Suarez t-shirt thing seems to have done nothing but damage Liverpool's image and form, so maybe FSG will realise that dragging the whole thing out with another month or so of appeal will actually do more harm than good? In fact, the best thing for Liverpool to do might be to accept the punishment and for Suarez to start his ban tomorrow. That way half the matches he'll miss will be in the cups - two in the CC against City and probably two in the FAC. Whilst Liverpool probably want to win the CC, I think with Chelsea and Arsenal dropping points all over the shop they have got to put all their effort into the league - this is their best chance yet to break back into the top four.
I think you are spot on there & it's time this whole sorry story was put to bed. Probably like half the country, I've been slightly bemused by the whole affair. I don't think that Suarez has a leg to stand on - there's little doubt that he said what he is alleged to have said and, as ignorance of the law is no excuse, he should simply accept that he was in the wrong and take his punishment. However, as what he said was a direct result of provocation - and Evra would no doubt be aware of the type of response to expect from Suarez' hot-blooded Latino nature - I would fully expect the FA to now investigate Evra's disrespectful 'sister's pussy' comments, not to mention the simulation incident which kicked this off in the first place. But I won't be holding my breath.
He wasn't provoked. Suarez didn't even hear it. They did investigate it and passed judgement on it so you can release your breath now.
Mr Evra stated that the goalmouth incident started when he addressed Mr Suarez, beginning with the phrase "Concha de tu hermana". According to the experts, the literal translation is "your sister's ****" and it can be taken as a general swear word expressing anger, although the word "concha" is not as taboo as the English word "****". It is thus equivalent to "****ing hell" or "**** me". If directed at someone in particular, it can also be understood as "[you] son of a bitch". so evra said it in a conciliatary manner.
Concha de tu hermana". apparently this can mean very different things - if i said "****ing hell" to a south american he might translate this as meaning "your sisters ****" - hate to be trying to explain this to an fa commission
Wrong you are not allowed to say it in england, that is why he is banned, these are the facts. If he is allowed then everyone should be able to say it, which would lead to the majority of black players being suspended for retalliation. Accept it
On the day S Lawrence's killers were convicted even a selfish club like Liverpool have seen the bigger picture
You seem to have a lot to say about something you know nothing about. The language experts were from England and not South America, the report also claims that Evra was a 'credible' witness due to the fact that he gave his evidence in a calm, and collected manner - Did Suarez go in effing and jeffing waving his hands in the air? 'Balance of probablility' is a method that can sometimes be adopted by a civil court but as a genreal rule is avoided where possible. What is also hard to understand is that (and you can't argue with this fact) The commission based their decision on the evidence of Evra and not that of Suarez, Commoli, Kuyt or Dalglish - The commission stressed that they found it difficult to accept the fact that statements could be so lost in translation - I could say something in spanish but would probably say it totally wrong given my very basic knowledge of that language - I'm glad LFC have decided not to appeal and feel they have made a very effective statement managing to keep face, something I doubt Sir Alex could have managed!
So they didn't take into account the actual statements he made about using the word negro, his admission of guilt
*SARCASM ALERT* Yes the classy way LFC dealt with this is to be commended. Is if the roles had been reversed Sir Alex would probably be making all kinds of digs and sly innuendos at press conferences already. Im sure the United press statement would be bitter, refusing to believe any wrongdoing, and definitely no apology included while casting serious doubts on the integrity of the FA and the LFC player who was abused. That's just the kind of bitter, victim mentality crap you'd expect from United. Oh wait....
