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BBC Formula 1's greatest drivers Number 10: Fernando Alonso

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, Jul 25, 2012.

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  1. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    What's the justification for including Schumacher but not other active drivers? If Schumacher wins an eighth title next season at the age of 45 (I think) it surely changes how he stacks up against other drivers. Unless you think he's already the single greatest of all time?
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    He is statistically.
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Mr Schumacher would of been #1..... But then he came back ;););)<diva>
     
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  4. di Fredsta!

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    But statistics is nothing.

    Are you saying that Karthikeyan is as good as Kubica? Or Piquet is as good as Senna? ;)
     
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  5. EternalMSC

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    Not impossible.

    But people will still worm out some excuses about how he achieved it if he did.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    No... I said he is statistically.

    :)
     
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  7. EternalMSC

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    In house complications with the deniers.
     
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  8. di Fredsta!

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    Statistically Karthikeyan is as good as most of the drivers on the grid as he has the same amount of wins/championships. It doesnt mean he is as good.
     
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  9. 2xwdcslayer

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    Vettel looks good because of the RB6 and 7 , Newey is the Master as he showed at Williams in the 90s.

    Autosports has it right who have Vettel at No 26 even with him being a double champion be cause sensible f1 fans knows he has been driving the best cars for a few years now.

    The Rb7 was a modern marvel.
     
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  10. SgtBhaji

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    But Schumacher is statistically peerless, so nobody compares to him (statistically)... regardless of whether you like the bloke or not. :)
     
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    So where was Newey when the Schumacher/Byrne/Ferrari dominace happend? Or are we going to ignore what happend inbetween 1999 to 2010 when Newey won nothing with regards to the WCC, until Horner, RBR, Vettel and Webber came along? Newey is just one bit of the puzzle to a very strong team.

    Williams and McLaren were already successful teams before he came along so he isn't that big of an impact.
     
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  12. Julius Caesar

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    Doesn't mean you can ignore 7 championships. Being on tie 0 is obviously not the correct time to use statistics.
     
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  13. EternalMSC

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    This.
     
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  14. Paco Montoya

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    Depends which stats you use, for example Fangio has a much better win/race ratio
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    And a better pole percentage.... was more revering to wins/pole/championship tally. :)
     
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    Just because he made Mansell look like the fat fool he is?
     
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  17. SgtBhaji

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    Because he's a fool... And the Apple didn't fall too far from the tree with Jr. :)
     
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  18. di Fredsta!

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    I'm not ignoring the statistics, i'm just saying that you cant base judgments purely on stats.
     
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    i Think that schumacher is the 3rd best driver ever. senna cums a close second 2 lewis hamilton :)
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

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    Aaaah... I didn't say that was the only thing you can base it on, and I don't disagree. :)
     
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