Varane's a bit of a crock though mate. You can't have stability without a consistent CB pairing. We've got problems. Hopefully if Amrabat is decent it will help overcome that.
Kane got the "Golden Boot" at the World cup with 6 goals (6ffs) and 3 of them were penalties. Super striker or something.
Agree, Varane can not be relied on. Shame really, as he's solid when he plays, but we should be looking to replace in January. Or get Maguire up to some sort of speed as proper cover/competition. Glad Onana came out and owned it, better than hiding from it. Hopefully that clears his head. Plenty plusses. Get three of the injuries back and we've got a decent team. And also find out what's going on with Antony. Rashford needs to get his head round the idea of playing in other positions, if he switches to the right then Garnacho is a good bet to play from the left. Pellistri didn't do much on the right. Martial was ok when he came on, but then that's always a false dawn. Amrabat and Mount we need back at the weekend though. And AWB.
Agree I think Pellistri isn't ready to be playing regularly on the right. Still a good sub to have and use that to bring him through into the first team. It's a shame Amad is injured. Another one who would've been a natural choice for the right side.
I actually forgot about Amad. He hasn’t really had a chance yet at the club and he’d definitely be a credible option. Who knows how long Antony is going to be out for. It will be difficult to bring him back without his name being cleared. The moral police will cancel the club again.
Not this time. Only allegations, atm. Nobody should be hanging the lad, just yet. The Greenwood situation was unique. We all heard the audio of him raping his girlfriend. Everybody was entitled to judge him.
But how do you do it without explaining it away to the press? I don’t think it is that easy to just bring him back. Remember that there are now multiple women corroborating the accusations. Unless the club says fk it!
Nobody is corroborating anything, that would suggest they have demonstrated actual evidence, they are just currently making claims with no substatiation. In the same way that Russell Brand isn't guilty of anything until it's actually proven, despite the BBC and other media outlets' desperation to make him guilty by media, Antony isn't guilty or charged of anything. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it so. We need to get back to innocent until proven guilty, and move away from trial by Tick Tock. The club won't say **** it, they're scared of their own shadow after the way they (mis)handled the Greenwood thing.
Going on from the justified criticism of Onana I find it quite telling that nobody has gone in for De Gea. As a free agent he is available any time to anyone, but still he's picking up his jobseeker's allowance, its as if the footballing world knows something we mere mortals don't.
I’ll go out on a limp and state… Personally, I think Greenwood should have stayed at the club. If he’s professionally allowed to play for any other club in Europe, then why not keep his current job especially when the manager clearly wanted him to stay? I get the visceral reactions from videos and whatnot, but I look at it from black and white perspective of simple application of the law. If a man is not found guilty of a crime, then he is innocence. I take that stance because by the time you start this trial by PR gauge, you are bound to get caught up in the contradictions that it invariably delivers. Back to Antony; the club is effectively now caught in the contradictions it caused itself by living by the PR gauge. There are in fact many footballers charged with more serious crimes that continued to play. Benzema and even Ronaldo were all accused of it but the effectively continued to play for Real Madrid. Therefore, I don’t buy the illusion of some bs higher moral standard at Manchester United. If an accusation is made, take it to the court and let it be investigated. If found guilty, send them to jail! But you can’t fire a man from his only job because someone said something. That is a horrible slippery slop.
Here in Spain morals don't apply to footballers, in recent years there have been any number of serious accusations levelled at individuals and groups from particular clubs, case in point the trio from Real Madrid accused of rape yet all three are still playing in the first team squad and haven't been named in the press under Spanish privacy laws - no names are given until charges are laid by the examining judge. You could literally kill someone here and still play, so don't apply our rules to the UK.
But what is the rule in UK? Where is that rule written? Ultimately this rule is judgement by media before the court. And if the media finds a way to gather enough noise, then you’re somehow doomed before judgement is rendered. It’s more of PR code than a rule.
If a person is charged in the UK it suggests that the investigating authorities have sufficient evidence to prove the case in a court of law. It also means that the accused is named in court - and from that point on, as happened with Greenwood, all hell breaks loose and the money men start flapping around using words like reputational damage etc. For as long as Antony hasn't been charged, and his mind is on his game, he should play, no question. Other countries have different rules where the accused isn't named until they have been convicted in court, hence the three RM players have not had their names revealed.
Regardless of any charges are laid out, as a matter of legal principle under the common law, innocence is presumed until proven guilty. This is as black and white as it gets. Of course I’m playing devil’s advocate but the point is that Greenwood was convicted by the media and PR as opposed to a “rule” of law or common practice. Therefore, let us not pretend as though the charge was the deciding factor in his case. And, we have had a player convicted that still came back to play for the team.
Tbph I'm sick of this ****. Can't we just talk about the players who are playing ...oh and the crock ones.
Antony is not available until he makes himself so. Man is doing the right thing by stepping away until he sorts the **** out.
wasn't really expecting a new thread, or indeed anything from the match. I can see us winning, and one of the others winning too, and we end up 3rd in the EL. That would sum our current situation right up!
That's what I'm thinking as well. Tbf what's the point of progressing in the CL if we've got little chance of going much further. Maybe the Europy is the best option.
