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Ban The ***s

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by rogueleader, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Nobody eats chocolate with dog-**** though. The majority of people smoke weed with tobacco. How are the 2 the same? <doh>
    Following the choclolate theme, what you're saying is akin to saying that chocolate is not fattening - as long as you eat dark chocolate. But most people don't eat dark choc, they eat milk choc. So generally, chocolate consumption is fattening, as it's usually the milk version. Just as generally, cannabis consumption is bad for the health, as it's usually mixed with tobacco.

    The ridiculous dog-**** analogy proves you're just being awkward I'm afraid.
     
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  2. Kyle?

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    When i saw ban the ***s, i thought you meant gay people. Yes, lets ban gays. But not smoking though. I don't smoke, but i have no issues with anyone who does smoke. It's free will, if the government were to ban it, it would mark our transition to communism.
     
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  3. Erik

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    <laugh>

    I'm starting to wonder if you're having me on.

    PS. Attempting to pick holes in the analogy is taking away from the point I was making, Mr Pedantic. If you like, try changing the Chocolate part for Bread, and the Dog **** part for Fried Bacon or a Burger. <ok>
     
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  4. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    You're digging yourself deeper here <doh>
    There are plenty of viable alternatives to bacon or burgers to have with bread. Hundreds, possibly thousands in fact. Therefore it's very, very easy to eat bread without being unhealthy.
    How many alternatives to tobacco are there for mixing with weed so that it burns properly? (which I repeat, is what MOST CANNABIS SMOKERS IN BRITAIN DO) Not many. None that I can think of. So it's NOT as easy to smoke weed healthily as it is to eat bread healthily. Another useless analogy.

    Let's go back to the original point I made. Smoking cannabis, FOR MOST PEOPLE, is unhealthy. MOST PEOPLE smoke cannabis with tobacco. The plant itself may be harmless, but most cannabis users don't just sit there muching away on a weed plant do they? Hence - and I'm sorry if I come across as patronising here, but I'm sick of labouring this fairly obvious point -

    CANNABIS CONSUMPTION IS BAD FOR MOST OF ITS CONSUMERS

    Do
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    I really hope so, because I can't be arsed with this any more.
     
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  5. Erik

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    I full understand the point you're trying to put across.

    What I don't understand is how you think that point is anything other than ******ed.

    You keep saying that smoking Cannabis is bad for you.

    NO IT IS NOT.
    TOBACCO IS.
    THEREFORE SMOKING THEM TOGETHER WILL BE HARMFUL.
    THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
     
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  6. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Can you read? That's not the point I'm making or trying to make at all <doh>
    My point, which is irrefutable, is that for the majority of cannabis users in Britain, their habit is detrimental to their health. Because they mix it with tobacco. SO SMOKING JOINTS IS BAD FOR THEM (AND ME)
     
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    First of all, smoking Cannabis is not a habit per se, nor an addiction. To say that it is would be a pathetic attempt by a Weed smoker to excuse themselves when defending their position against the misinformed masses who view it as a societal ill. Anyone who smokes it with Tobacco is doing so unnecessarily. Anyone who smokes it with Tobacco, even if they don't smoke Cigarettes at any other time, will likely continue to smoke the two plants together because they are becoming addicted to the Nicotine, and in all likelihood they will associate the subsequent cravings they have with Cannabis use - which IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be the case. Also, the original discussion that I was having with thefanwithnoname was solely about the benefits of the Cannabis plant, from the positive effect it can have on your health to the agricultural benefits of the Hemp by-products which result from farming it. You, however, decided to start a discussion about smoking Cannabis with Tobacco, which you claim is the only solution to the apparent problem of the former not being sufficiently flammable as to remain lit whilst smoking - this being in spite of the fact that it has been smoked for thousands of years, largely, I think we can admit, without additional, processed Tobacco.
     
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  8. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    When I said habit, I didn't mean addiction. That is not the only definition of habit.
    And whatever you say, and whether they need to or not, many weed smokers mix it with tobacco. Maybe they don't know that it's not necessary, maybe they do and just find that it burns more easily - which it does - but whatever the reason, it is very common practice. And it is unhealthy. I wasn't trying to demonise weed or its consumers, as I've said several times, I smoke skunk myself on a weekly basis.
     
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  9. Erik

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    I know that some people like to mix their Cannabis with Tobacco, but I was discussing the benefits solely of Weed (on its own!). I obviously wasn't suggesting that because of these benefits, you may as well throw some other **** in there as well! <laugh>
     
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  10. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    I was talking more about straight-forward spliff smoking. I have tried eating/drinking it in the past, either by putting in a yoghurt or in a coffee, and that produced a different effect altogether.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Can't be arsed reading the whole series of posts.

    Cannabis' side affects outweigh it's therapeutics properties as a medicinal product. End off. Certain active ingredients on their own may have beneficial therapeutics effects but due to licensing laws and intellectual property no major pharamceutical company would touch it.

    Due to current legality, historic and common use, alcohol and tobacco continue to be legal. What government in their right mind would ban either? They would never see power again.
     
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