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[DAPARKERSAFC]

No, change it to extremist, not terrorist. Not all extremists are terrorists. There's plenty of hate preachers who are not terrorists, campaigning for Shar'ia law is not an act of terrorism, yet I'd like to think that everybody involved in those campaigns are deplored by the 'regular' Muslim community.



I know plenty of them, I see them in my office every day and as you'd expect MOST of them are decent, hard working people. They do not integrate though, and when that happens, there's a fundamental flaw in their character that is open to scrutiny. It is only the minority who integrate and that right there is the reason why people have so many unanswered questions about them, which in turn will always lead to prejudice and assumption.



You can't personally attack 'all muslims'. Vocally discriminating against an entire religion is of course wrong.

Israel was ripped a new arsehole by the media worldwide for blitzing Gaza, the only ****ing country with the bollocks to stand up against terrorism and attack back 'by any means necessary'. If that means casualties of innocent civilians then that was the way it had to be.

The moment they take up arms and start taking hostages and killing innocent people they go from extremist to terrorist.

 

[Montysoptician]

I get what you're trying to say to me and nobody seems to have the answers for the best way to deal with something that is this broken.

I hate being represented by the IC1 chav in the street, who claims all jobs he could have got have been taken from him by the 'Paki's and Poles', the same as Muslims must hate being represented by Anjum Chaudury.

People all have their 'solution to the problem' which usually ends up with either something radical, or something so ideal it seems like it's been lifted out of a children's book.

Spot on Terrence, more eloquently stated than me, but my thoughts exactly

 

[Montysoptician]

Given the hostages were asking for 'demands' via social media for the terrorist, one of the demands was a ISIS flag - and if the military and police conceded to this demand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCgOSxHQck&list=UUw7ZVlsuvyypTLCLQTSh3kA

would have that request been a way to surreptitiously induce sleep by stealth, that knock out both hostages and terrorist using non- lethal weapons ?

or is that scenario too much like a James Bond plot? I'm sure I remember reading the military have a gas that renders everyone unconscious

In any hostage situation the aim is to resolve the incident peacefully through negotiation, intervention takes place only when life is at risk. The intervention plan would have considered everything that would keep the hostages safe and take out the perpetrator as quickly as possible.

From what I have read, the intervention became necessary when the coffee shop manager was shot trying to disarm the perpetrator who then began shooting other hostages.

Gas is only effective in a confined space, the 'flash bang' grenades are much more effective in a relatively open building like a coffee shop.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Spot on Terrence, more eloquently stated than me, but my thoughts exactly

I always like reading your opinions Monty, some of what you write goes over my head, in a good way of course. It's usually your good self who manages to concentrate everybody's rants into a precision sentence we all understand and relate to

 

[Montysoptician]

I always like reading your opinions Monty, some of what you write goes over my head, in a good way of course. It's usually your good self who manages to concentrate everybody's rants into a precision sentence we all understand and relate to

Cheers mate, I always enjoy your posts also , look at the two of us, the self appreciation society

 

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[Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR]

In any hostage situation the aim is to resolve the incident peacefully through negotiation, intervention takes place only when life is at risk. The intervention plan would have considered everything that would keep the hostages safe and take out the perpetrator as quickly as possible.

From what I have read, the intervention became necessary when the coffee shop manager was shot trying to disarm the perpetrator who then began shooting other hostages.

Not yet clarified yet how the other hostages were shot. Crossfire is also mentioned but obviously what followed the shooting of the cafe owner will soon be confirmed. I was in central Sydney around the time the incident was initially reported about a mile or so away.

Out of interest the worst shooting in a cafe in Aus. came in 1996 near Hobart when on a Sunday lunchtime at a popular tourist spot a guy had a meal on the decking outside then went into the crowded cafe and began shooting. 20 people were killed in there and other people had been killed before he had his meal. He continued his rampage as he left and the final death toll was 35.

My wife and I had gone to Hobart for a wedding and we had a meal at the cafe, the day before what is now called "The Port Arthur Massacre". The perpetrator is currently in prison.

 

[Montysoptician]

Not yet clarified yet how the other hostages were shot. Crossfire is also mentioned but obviously what followed the shooting of the cafe owner will soon be confirmed. I was in central Sydney around the time the incident was initially reported about a mile or so away.

Out of interest the worst shooting in a cafe in Aus. came in 1996 near Hobart when on a Sunday lunchtime at a popular tourist spot a guy had a meal on the decking outside then went into the crowded cafe and began shooting. 20 people were killed in there and other people had been killed before he had his meal. He continued his rampage as he left and the final death toll was 35.

My wife and I had gone to Hobart for a wedding and we had a meal at the cafe, the day before what is now called "The Port Arthur Massacre". The perpetrator is currently in prison.

Yes mate, it's wrong to speculate, the truth will out in the post incident investigation. I only mentioned what I have read in the media over here, but crossfire would surprise me because Special Forces rarely fire indiscriminately.

What is the mood of the general public over there?