KJ - thank you! And I'm not going to requote it but your last post was spot on for me. Political correctness is a fairly recent phenomenon. It is an attempt, perhaps misguided, perhaps badly executed, perhaps it over steps on individual freedoms as it attempts to move against the foreclosure of freedoms of select groups based on the overt expression of and action from bigotry and intolerance of one form or another. I'm not for political correctness. In my opinion it is a contrivance to stifle that which others might find offensive. Much better to let bigots be free to express themselves then shine the light of ridicule on them for their intolerance and direct or indirect attempt to insult others - this way it takes a little time but in the grand scheme of things it gets worked out while preserving the principle of individual freedom. You cannot have the principle of freedom of speech on one hand then attempt to punish those through criminal sanction that avail themselves of that principle - it is totally contradictory. Much better to provide a simpler path through the civil justice system where damage if manifest and provable can be adjudicated and awarded compensation. If there is no damage there can be no rightful claim. On the principle of Coase's theorem society over time will self-correct and balances of cost and compensation will be negotiated.
Trouble with Atheists is they think they are not accountable!.......... PS; Plus they are puffed up in their own limited knowledge!..........
"what more can I say". Well,the next time you "say" anything, try and make it something we can comprehend..
Serve your right for opening such a thread and winging about something you simply had just to turn the channel over on Vetch, or is that something beyond an Atheist!.............................. PS: Hell guys it's hot out here, just pulled into the Hotel bar at Beausejour.fr at Saint Raphael, having a Panache Biere! Did I say 'Saint Raphael' hell you cannot get away from religion, seems poor old Vetch is right after all!........................
I notice that all the 'believers' are resorting to insults. Why? How are Atheists 'not accountable?' Most people in work are accountable to a boss. If you're in a relationship you're accountable to your wife/ partner. As it refers to moral behaviour, to quote a well known Cardiff source we 'self regulate'. Most people are decent to each other because we know we should be rather than because of fear of what god might do to us if we weren't. Are you suggesting Atheists are inherently bad people? Seems like. How do Atheists have 'limited knowledge'? Most Atheists here have clearly set out their beliefs and why they believe them. I've done a lot of reading on the subject. Doesn't make me an expert but I do have some knowledge. I'm familiar with the Bible and the suras in the Qu'ran. Are you? It seems that the best the religious can come up with when asked why they believe what they do is answer "because we do". Fair enough, but no evidence of actual 'knowledge', only faith, which is perhaps no surprise as it's the very nature of religion.
My point being, they knew about Adam and Eve to have written about it, now they were brought into the world on day 6, do you really think stories of Adam and Eve would make it to the point where they wrote the book, yet dinosaurs did not?
Swanselona: They'll say that certain passages in their holy books mention monsters, and they do. But they fail to convince me that they were talking about dinosaurs, the evidence of which came thousands of years later. Btw had Evans pie and chips from Franco's today.
At least five. Cain, Abel and Seth (who they had when Adam was 130) were the only ones named in the bible, but Adam had more. Sons and daughters, apparently. Their names weren't mentioned. Who Cain met and married after his exile isn't mentioned, either. Possibly his sister.
Lets get one thing straight guys Religion and the Bible are two different things, Religion has a bloody history, and has decieved the vast majority of it's people, Religion is not about the Bible, and has never been since the second century AD. The Catholic church which forms the heart of Christendom is most culpable of all Religions, and the time will come when all world leaders will do away with religion all together, including the Catholic church. I'm not going to get serious on this subject, as I have debated this with many Church of England priests who have themselves been Atheists, yes unbelievable but true, at the end of the day it's up to every individual to take responsibility for searching out the real facts on this subject, I have done so with some serious time spent reading all historical and relative documents, not to mention Darwins 'Origin of the species', where even he had to admit in the end to a supreme being or creator. If the Atheist wants to believe that all the material universe came about by chance, then that's up to them, they are in my opinion, either ignorant of the evidence, or simple don't like the concept of a superior being, that's their problem not mine. at the end of the day for me the evidence of order (ignoring Mans influence) both on planet earth and it's complex eco systems, and the universe cannot be explained by chance, there had to be a designer, a purposer, anything we see man build, takes great thought and design, yet man is still struggling to replicate the achievements of nature, let alone the cosmos............................
But then who created the superior being, or did he/she/it just miraculously appear? Why is it so hard to thing we are just here by chance? No matter which way you look, to think there is a superior being, is IMO ignorant of the evidence, everything has to start somewhere, a man can build a house, however someone has to have created the man. And his parents were created by their parents. Where does it stop? This magic superior being. Ok so back to square one, where did he come from?
That's the complete opposite of what actually happened with Darwin, DPJ. He started off as a theist and lost his faith. Lady Hope's claims about his deathbed conversion appear to be a complete fabrication. The rest of your post appears to be the Watchmaker analogy, which has been dismissed for roughly as long as it's existed. Darwin did a job on it himself.
True. The religious lobby did a number on Darwin and even said he 'recanted' his work and 'rediscovered god' on his deathbed. This was put about by Lady Hope who said she visited him. The family later came out and said she never did. Same happened to Christopher Hitchens with Internet trolls. Amazes me the evil that 'religious' people do. The Watchmaker theory is well known. Things are so intricate and beautiful the hand of a creator must be at work rather than millennia of evolution. The argument is hugely flawed imo. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and was even accepted by the religious lobby (well, the sensible ones). If you accept evolution as fact then you can trace it right back to the origins of life on this planet, whereas the religious say god made absolutely everything and evolution refined it. Take your pick, but I know which one I prefer. As Eddie Izzard said, if god made the dinosaurs too (which he must have if you're a believer) then he must have done so after smoking all the opium crop in the world first.
So basically according to Genesis, everything was initially incestuous - lovely! Nothing like bending the rules to meet your needs.
Incest is the least of the horrors that happened in the Old Testament. If you believe what's written there then it's difficult to disagree with Dawkins's description of the Old Testament god as: "... jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
