Assem Allam

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It was probably the most painful 30-odd minutes of live radio broadcast I've listened to.

The saddest part is that just about everyone in that room knew he was making a fool of himself but either wouldn't or couldn't do something about it.

His family really need to make sure he's never again put in that position.


edit: just for clarification the subject of this post is Assem Allam not David Burns...
 
Best Chairman? Or just the richest?

I'm sure if Adam Pearson had over £100 million he would have no doubt been in the position Allam is in (barring the name change malarkey).
 
ooh. just think.. Bartlett could come back, especially if the club is free!

won't the CTWD be pleased about that? <cheers>
 
TigerFILEY said:
Sad about recent events regarding the name change. He has done so much good for the club and I consider him our best owner ever. I am sure he thinks what he is doing is best for the club YET even I can see he is SO WRONG .
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I think I agree with you there. He thinks his heart is in the right place but he's wrong to bring this all up again. He's really not suited to a position where you need to consider the feelings/opinions of others.
 
Look at the owners of other clubs. Look at the availability of wealthy local businessmen who would be prepared to invest. Chances are more likely we would end up with a Tan like disaster than a new "Best Chairman we've ever had".

Better the Devil we know I'd say.
 
TygerTyger said:
Look at the owners of other clubs. Look at the availability of wealthy local businessmen who would be prepared to invest. Chances are more likely we would end up with a Tan like disaster than a new "Best Chairman we've ever had".

Better the Devil we know I'd say.
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Bit rude.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
ooh. just think.. Bartlett could come back, especially if the club is free!

won't the CTWD be pleased about that? <cheers>
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Interesting you bring up Bartlett - Do you think if he could afford it, Bartlett wouldn't have appointed and bankrolled Steve Bruce rather than Iain Dowie? Allam was lucky when he sacked Barmby that a fantastic manager was available, who knows what would have happened. But other than appointing Bruce, how is Allam running things differently to Bartlett?

The only difference I can see is the size of the pockets.

The premier league put us £30m in debt last time - this time it's £72m and growing. There's no gift - only debt. Just like Bartlett. The solution to making us self-sustaining is a name change that he openly admits he hasn't done any market research on.

Don't get me wrong - if he wasn't wanting to change the name, I wouldn't be criticising. The fact is in modern football you have to speculate. Keeping us in the PL makes us break even. So far under the Allams, it's working, under Bartlett it didn't.

My point is - if you're going to criticise the first City owner to take us into the prem - you have to acknowledge that the second is not following a very different path.
 
BernsteinTiger said:
Interesting you bring up Bartlett - Do you think if he could afford it, Bartlett wouldn't have appointed and bankrolled Steve Bruce rather than Iain Dowie? Allam was lucky when he sacked Barmby that a fantastic manager was available, who knows what would have happened. But other than appointing Bruce, how is Allam running things differently to Bartlett?

The only difference I can see is the size of the pockets.


The premier league put us £30m in debt last time - this time it's £72m and growing. There's no gift - only debt. Just like Bartlett. The solution to making us self-sustaining is a name change that he openly admits he hasn't done any market research on.

Don't get me wrong - if he wasn't wanting to change the name, I wouldn't be criticising. The fact is in modern football you have to speculate. Keeping us in the PL makes us break even. So far under the Allams, it's working, under Bartlett it didn't.

My point is - if you're going to criticise the first City owner to take us into the prem - you have to acknowledge that the second is not following a very different path.
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I acknowledge that.
the difference being that AA has loaned the Tigers money, whereas Bartlett took money out.

eeps!
I wonder when he will call the loans in.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
I acknowledge that.
the difference being that AA has loaned the Tigers money, whereas Bartlett took money out.

eeps!
I wonder when he will call the loans in.
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If we are, as has been reported, verging on £100m in debt to him - would you foreclose on something guaranteeing a £5m annual return on his investment. When he said he would "give it away" it would be giving it away with the debt in place. There are not many investments that would give a guaranteed 5%.

armchairfan said:
There's a lot more money for being in the top tier now than there was a few years ago.
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Makes you think - if last season's money had been in place in 2009 - I doubt we'd have been looking down the barrel as we were in 2010.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
I acknowledge that.
the difference being that AA has loaned the Tigers money, whereas Bartlett took money out.

eeps!
I wonder when he will call the loans in.
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Bartlett took a million a year or maybe two if you count expenses. Allamhouse is taking between £3 and £5 million in interest. But as you say Assem Allam's pockets are deeper, which means he can continue taking out the interest payments for longer. If he doesn't convert the loans into shares he, or his family, will eventually get all their money back.
 
A pity, like the Needlers he isn't just our owner, he's a genuine fan but a PR man he isn't. Father Jack had the perfect term for what he said yesterday which he would have been better off not saying. I'm sure he lost more support for his cause than he gained and I bet he wishes in hindsight he'd not said anything. It wasn't the coherent, well-reasoned argument he put to me, it was gobshite and he contradicted some of what he said. But I think he was trying to be too clever yesterday and when you speak from the head instead of the heart... he shot his own foot off let alone his sock.
 
People keep saying 'Oh we could get a worse owner then the Allams' and 'better then the devil you know'.

But how many bad chairman, owners or CEO's are they? Ashley, Venkys, Cellino.

For ever bad owner they're dozens of good ideas.
 
the only reason you don't like allam is because you're all racist
 
TheCasual said:
People keep saying 'Oh we could get a worse owner then the Allams' and 'better then the devil you know'.

But how many bad chairman, owners or CEO's are they? Ashley, Venkys, Cellino.

For ever bad owner they're dozens of good ideas.
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I agree.

Where exactly is the line between a good owner and a bad owner? Where do we decide where the credit lies?

Go back to the summer of 2012, and imagine Steve Bruce said no. Sir Cheshire Ben has spent enough time on here showing what people's thoughts were about the Allams when Barmby was shown the door. What if we'd got an all right manager instead of an excellent one?

Were we really that outstanding a championship team in 2013? The £140 quid I got when we were promoted says the bookies certainly didn't think so. Our promotion was hardly bought.

How much of the success that has followed over the next two years would have been guaranteed by the Allams' actions?

How many of the controversial things would have still happened? I presume the spat with the council still would have, therefore I presume the name change bid would have. How many people would accept "Hull Tigers" if we were mid-table in the championship?

To me, the Allams' reputation as "good" owners comes from the original 2010 buy-out and on the back of Steve Bruce's managerial ability. Look beyond that, and frankly I don't think they have been that competent in their actions.
 
I agree I don't think he is that good an owner. He keeps out of team selection but that's how most owners are. He's put money in the club but has put interest on it and isn't among the richest owners at the level we are now at. Lower down in the second tier he would be among the richer ones, but there would be others even there who probably know football ownership better than him.

He bought the club out, but that doesn't mean he can ride roughshod over everyone. He just doesn't understand football not being just another business, and that isn't a sign of a good owner.

When he took over he knew he didn't own the stadium, he was deluded if he thought he would just be able to buy it out easily. And the whole name change thing was a much later idea of his, he was perfectly happy with 'Hull City' when he took over.

And this claim that he rescued the club from oblivion is nonsense as well. It bounced back from the relegation from the top tier before, it bounced back from nearly becoming non-league, it would bounce back from going out the league as well. He's got delusions of grandeur.

I think a good owner keeps in the background more rather than just using a club for their own personal profile.
 
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Asse...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ****ing get out! telling pork pies! I have NEVER told a lie in my life! I expect no one on here has told a lie, in their lives... EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree:

Totally Hull City &#8207;@TotallyHullCity 1h
Just seen that 'Allam Out' flag, the man does not deserve that whatever you think! I hope it is not displayed Monday night. #HCAFC
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PattyNchips2 said:
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Asse...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ****ing get out! telling pork pies! I have NEVER told a lie in my life! I expect no one on here has told a lie, in their lives... EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree:

Totally Hull City &#8207;@TotallyHullCity 1h
Just seen that 'Allam Out' flag, the man does not deserve that whatever you think! I hope it is not displayed Monday night. #HCAFC
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CTWD have put out a statement to say that this flag is NOTHING to do with them. Just thought I would mention that before they get the blame.
 
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