A thought just occured to me - if the FA do allow the name change, so next season the club is called Hull Tigers AND someone from CTWD forms a new club called Hull City AFC which club has the history?
Seriously? Current club changes its name. History would record that the club had changed its name. New club (not that they could but I'm humouring you) would just be created, thus its history would start on the day of its creation. If I changed my name to David Beckham, I wouldn't suddenly be married to Vic and have been a great footballer. Or rather, if I had a baby girl, called her Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, I wouldn't suddenly be the Queen Mother.
League Division 1 changes its name to Premier League - all present day statistics record Premier League only - they do not consider life before Premier Leage as Prem is totally different - ie how many clubs have been in the Prem, how many times someone has been in the Prem etc etc etc - all other stats are ignored as the Prem is totally different - you can keep calling it League 1, you can pretend its not different but everyone in the world calls it the Prem - thats why people are passionate about keeping the name Hull City - because Hull Tigers is different and will be recorded as different - it wont say Hull Tigers founded 1904 it will say 2014
If the name-change comes about it will leave the club with a fractured history that will take many years to heal, possibly a generation or more. I think those future supporters will look back on that fractured history and question what it was all for; we will not be in a higher league (possibly lower by relegation or the forming of a European Super League), we may have had a fling with a cup - home or European - and I very much doubt anyone will be able to examine our history and find one single positive, performance or financial, of the name-change. What I do think will be seen, by those future supporters when they look back, is how the man who instigated the name-change split the club and caused dissent within a once strong and proud supporter base. They will see how that man continued to use the club as a pawn in the building of his wider empire - his so-called legacy to the good people of the **** of Kingston-Upon-Hull (they may have found a new word to replace the lousy one of city - in fact, perhaps it might be Allamstown-Upon-Hull - that was just a playful quip ). His involvement will have ended with his death, his son having extracted most of the family investment prior to selling the club (at a good profit) to a crackpot Malaysian billionaire who had been groomed to prefer red and white striped tigers; after all, in football club ownership, any daft idea can be excused by so-called investment and over-stated ambition. Life will have gone on, truth will be lost and memories spoilt; some, who once proudly supported Hull City AFC, will have moved on from The Village People (of ex North Ferriby United fame) to lower league grass-roots football, armchair football and, for those of a more discerning nature, such as myself, ladies beach volleyball. Have a safe and enjoyable New Years Eve; if you can't be good to folk on here, be good to them around you. I for one will be glad to see the back of 2013.
Thanks for an excellent example of how changing something old to something new was a massive financial success. Change doesn't have to be all scarey does it? Football league names and a Football Clubs name, chalk and cheese btw. That said, the same basic structure is in place, it was just modernised and changed over the years to make more money, I don't see anyone at all calling for a return to the olden days nor complaining years of footballing history was lost. Worked too.
Arsenal Football Club started out as Dial Square in 1886 by workers at the Royal Arsenal in Woolwich, south-east London, and was renamed Royal Arsenal shortly afterwards. The club was renamed again to Woolwich Arsenal after becoming a limited company in 1893. The club became the first southern member of the Football League in 1893, starting out in the Second Division, and won promotion to the First Division in 1904. The club's relative geographic isolation resulted in lower attendances than those of other clubs, which led to the club becoming mired in financial problems and effectively bankrupt by 1910, when they were taken over by businessmen Henry Norris and William Hall. Norris sought to move the club elsewhere, and in 1913, soon after relegation back to the Second Division, Arsenal moved to the new Arsenal Stadium in Highbury, North London; they dropped "Woolwich" from their name the following year.
Volgograd (of current suicide-bomber 'fame') was Stalingrad; re-named by Kruschev to spite the dead Stalin. But.....still occasionally called Stalingrad - officially - for a part of each year. And, apparently, there is much pressure to give it back the Stalingrad moniker, as it has a history as being the battle which first broke the German advance in WWII. So that's not so simple/involves a huge history......
Made me think of this. [video=youtube;BHnJp0oyOxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs[/video] All the best to you and yours Fez. Hope 2014 is a better year for you.
was Tsaritsyn - was only Stalingrad since 1925 - great example of original name being forgotten - changed by nutter and only recently changed again
Mr Allam's methods are reminiscent of Stalin. With Allam it's my way or the highway. Stalin had his opponents killed and old Joe Allam says they can die if they want to. That land he bought at Melton? I hope it's not for a death camp.
financial success? - just how much debt do you think each club in the Premier League is in? - just look at the mess the Prem has had on Portsmouth - the Premier League is a great example of a total financial mess, similar to the mess that Allam has got us into now, we were only $30 mill in debt when he came bearing gifts, now we're heading for £100mill in debt - as far as City is concerned, the guy is a ****ing disaster from a business perspective ---- from the vast majority of your posts, I can see you're either a bit thick, which is unfortunate, on the other hand I'm prepared to accept that I may have misunderstood you and that your posts are designed to attract attention/reaction because you're a socially misfit and all you have in your sad life is the fulfilment of someone replying to your **** - either way I feel genuinely sorry for you and can only hope that you get the help you clearly need
How much financial debt do you think the Premier League is in? Actually, you think "we" owed Dr Allam 30 million dollars, so I don't expect an answer to that. Wouldn't matter if it was Division 1, the Premier League or the Fluffy First League of Engerlund, how each club conducts themselves is down to them. The PL as a brand does very very well. Actually, as you clearly don't understand that, it's no wonder you don't get what Dr Allam is trying to do. Poor attempt at name calling btw, I'll hazard a guess you're one of Terry's mates from CI. I really wish that retirement home for the infirm and brainfucked was a little livelier so pondscum like you stayed there.
Same club, different name, different ground. MK Dons added to the history of Wimbledon FC. It was the reason they didn't start from scratch in the lower leagues like AFC Wimbledon. Winkleman only gave up the history of Wimbledon FC and MK Dons FA Cup when he realised the hatred MK Dons attracted. Looks like history can be rewritten after all.
The clever move of the PL was to break away from the rest of the football league and hoover up all the TV money just at the very moment that the money suddenly mushroomed due to Sky TV coming in and wanting an exclusive deal. The extra money went on fancy flickers from abroad who attracted punters and everything went from there. It really wasn't that clever.
another totally **** response - your first post claimed that the Prem was a massive financial success - then you totally fail to support your claim and provide any evidence that all the clubs are making massive profits - then you try to suggest I'm one of Terry's mates, who the **** is Terry, ps I'm not interested - then you try to justify your **** on my lack of understanding what Allam is trying to do - we all know what Allam is trying to do, unfortunately he's creating a massive financial mess doing it and hasn't a clue how to sort it out - I know let's change the name - pathetic
