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Article: No to racism in F1? But ok for prejudice in F1? | Formula One

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Is there German prejudice towards Sebastian?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Maybe

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  1. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    I'm just in an annoying mood. Dont mind me.

    1000th post quiz to come when im in a better mood.
     
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  2. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    But why did they boo a person who had no control of the decision, let alone any proof it was Sebastian making the call, again they think Sebastian is a Schumacher reincarnate. Jumping to conclusions and chinese whispers from the British press/public, that Seb the "master mind" took a leaf out of Michael's books.

    Sorry... "Next he's dominating" in my last post, is pointed at this year not for the future. Good to see you seeing it from my side.



    Now be very, very honest with me British Lewis/Jenson/Di Resta fans. If it was a Brit dominating and not Sebastian would you be having a problem with it? This isn't meant to be "HA I GOT YOU!" this is meant to show if you are more tolerant for a Brit to dominate compared to a German, nothing more.
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    of course there is. Its the old Gemany England sport rivalry. The french are the same with us
     
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  4. cosicave

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    I'm not personalising this but surely everyone who writes inflammatory comments feels justified at the time they write? Isn't this the problem? On a different scale, isn't this the reason for religious strife and wars between nations who have a different perspective without showing tolerance to the differences within others which they do not understand or simply do not agree with?

    I think we should make an effort to restrain the instincts which can be let loose through "mood" (or passion). It ain't always easy but the effort makes a beneficial social difference in the long-term. Think of it as deferred gratification! - It may feel easier to drop litter than take it home, but in the long term one is contributing to a mess…
     
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  5. Prime Minister Cameron

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    Why bring up a comment like this? What use is this? To get a reaction? Well you have now... Are you happy?
     
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  6. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Why has this been promoted to NewsNow? And how do you do it these days?
     
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  7. Prime Minister Cameron

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    I think a mod does it though I am not sure.
     
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  8. Delete Me

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    No suprise, it's one of the more "shock controversial" posts that get all the bitches coming in ready for a slag fest. At least I made the next 8-9 hours bearable until F1 starts then quite honestly this post can go to hell for all I care.

    I don't get it... If anything we should be rivals to the Italians and Ferrari when it comes to Motorsport, alright Jaguar and Mercedes had it out at Le Mans a fair while back in 1955 that resulted in a lot of deaths, but nothing really else until Schumi vs Damon, ok maybe Clark and Wolfgang Von Trips but nothing really sticks out for me when it comes to Germans vs Brits in F1.

    Only football and field hockey has a rivalry with Germany.
     
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  9. Delete Me

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    By the way, they have edited my work. Slightly better grammer but that's not my voice, Lewis is a cheater close to Schumacher, it's just Schumacher didnt give a **** what you thought of him yet Lewis likes to keep up his reputation to the general young public. He plays dumb but Lewis is far more calculating then you give him credit for. You might say opportunist but I say it's plain old cheating, no different from Seb trying to place Alonso into the pit wall last year.

    "Of course, not the bad cheating that Schumacher used to do, just "passion" and "spur of the moment" errors of judgement, because that's not British sportsmanship that we stand for, is it chaps? We never cheat..."

    All cheating is bad cheating so dont insult my post making it out Schumachers cheating was worse than Lewis': cutting corners, slowing down rival cars before SC comes out, misleading stewards, not giving places back after gaining an advantage, weaving x2, clipping rear tyres x3, underfueling for qualifying, going to a complete stop while a SC is out in the wet causing crashes of 2nd and 3rd... making contact in the pit lane when he should of given way to leading car x2.... Should I go on?
     
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  10. cosicave

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    I don't agree this time Silver. And certainly not on the scale you present it.

    But of course, like yours, this is just my opinion.
     
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  11. Kyle?

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    I think the british public generally react well towards Vettel. A lot of my friends, who've disliked past german drivers, actually like Vettel. He's been described as an anglophile (loves english things) which does him some good in our eyes.

    As for racism against Hamilton, a lot of his detractors (myself included) have a go at him due to his personality, not his skin colour. If he were white i would still have a go at his arrogance, and general mansell-ish-ness.
     
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  12. Delete Me

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    Dont agree with what? Got a whole page of comments lol

    If it's the cheating then I can understand were you coming from. Why do you consider Lewis' cheating different to Schumachers?

    For me it's the same all in all, just the media playing a big part again to ruffle a few feathers etc...
     
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  13. Delete Me

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    And there we have it, a fine example of what I'm on about.

    F1 drivers have become more open and express themselves far more often and that the chain is "partly" broken when looking at the modern day German drivers compared to the past. Media is a powerful tool.

    This isn't meant to be negative towards your friends, but was the "I like English comedy" the catalyst and (only) reason to relate more to Sebastian? If he didn't would your friends still look at him in the same light? If you get an answer from your mates that would be great, honesty is all I ask, nothing more.

    German first, human second, thats what it seems to me with certain F1 fans.

    "Dont judge a book by it's cover, even if it's from Germany..."
     
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  14. cosicave

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    Yes, sorry if it wasn't clear but it seems you understood it. It was how you referred to "cheating".


    I hope you'll forgive me for not wishing to divert this thread with a futile discussion of history, which has been said over and over and over again.

    :)
     
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  15. Delete Me

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    Oh yes indeed Cosicave, too late for all that now lol ;)
     
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  16. BrightLampShade

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    There should always be lenience with peoples views, we can't all be the same, and because we are all different we must accept that we are all different, and so on and so on.

    rivalries are natural, as are peoples good and bad points. The world needs a bit less over reacting and a bit less single mindedness, somewhere in between would be good <ok>
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    Having re read the whole thing I'd also like to point out that I was at Silverstone in 2010 and no one round be actually booed Vettel, or anyone, it was an absolutely brilliant atmosphere between fans as always. Maybe I'm always lucky with where I end up :)

    Also the use of "they" and "most people" etc is ironically amusing when compared to the title of the thread <laugh>
     
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  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    face it, it's something you're gonna have to put up with, much liek the 'kamikazi' tag the almost blemishless Kobayashi has, simply because he's japanese it means he likes crash into things.
     
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  19. Kyle?

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    I've only seen kobayashi crash into someone twice. Australia last year (hulkenberg), and monaco this year.(sutil)
     
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  20. cosicave

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    Several people have made reference to booing at Silverstone.

    I will readily admit that it is likely I have been in the wrong place at the right time but in spite of written reports as seen on these pages, I have never witnessed it. Please don't let a tiny minority (if there is one at all) put you off. It is usually a fabulous experience.
     
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