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Article: Hull v Watford, Match Thread, 2/4/13.

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Mexican Hornet, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    1. It's not a different argument - your argument was about nothing more than unfair advantages due to money, and that fits right in very nicely.

    2. Then why do you bother to mention it?

    3. Funny you should counter your own statement with that magic word - integrity. That's what would stop it happening, our owners have it in shed loads, so it won't happen here.
     
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  2. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Cretin.
     
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  3. babyhornetdan

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    The part in bold is actually incorrect. There is such a thing as the "doctrine of implied repeal". This means that whilst the laws might have been beneficial at the time of creation, they are absurd or redundant in modern times. There are several laws which follow this procedure, such as the law making it illegal to die in the houses of parliament, or permitting women to go topless in Liverpool - if, that is, they work as a clerk in a tropical fish shop.
     
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  4. Leo

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    Bullshit man -you have some valid points that get listened to and replied to here politely so I suggest you refrain from personal insults - we are no more thick than the average supporter

    It is good of you to be worried about the future of football as we know it but maybe you have your target for worry in the wrong order. Our owners the Pozzos are only averagely wealthy so probably can be ignored as a threat to football as we know it

    Try worrying about Malaysian owners as they come from an area of the world known for massive betting and not strangers to betting fraud -perhaps that will undermine the football you love
    Secondly try worrying about clubs with owners who pump ridiculous amounts of debt into clubs banking on success to bankroll it - if unclear ask a Pompey fan to explain it

    A family who love football and have owned a club for 25 years or more who do not use debt to bankroll them and who improve players and sell them on are good for the game
     
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  5. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    Phwoarrrrrrrrrrrr!! Scouse Titties.

    sorry - I'll get my coat......
     
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  6. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Aah - personal invective. The preserve of those who know they are beaten.
     
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  7. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Like I said it's not necessarily your owners I have a problem with, as far as my admittedly very limited knowledge of them goes, they seem genuine. It's the situation where people can own multiple clubs that worries me, just because your owners do it in an integral and legitimate way doesn't mean that others won't follow suit and exploit every little loophole they can find, of which I've doubt there are many as it's not common practice in football and probably hasn't been finely combed over by the governing bodies.

    These tycoons who pump silly amounts of money into clubs are the real problem, and it's them I fear will use this way to bankroll one club at anothers fatal expense when/if the governing bodies crack down on it and stop them from doing it. We don't need to ask Pompey as we were in almost as dire a situation until we were quite literally saved by local, albeit egyptian through blood, businessmen. Our predicament just wasn't as widely reported as Pompey's.

    Owners such as yours are indeed good for the game and it's a shame a lot of other club owners couldn't take a leaf out of your book. It seems ours have very similar ideas, although they are very new to football and even admitted they hardly had an interest until they bought into the sport.

    Sorry for the personal insults, in fairness you lot are the best I've come across on this site both in terms of politeness and intelligence as a whole, this bolton boots chap just seems very ignorant and arrogant, almost French like, in fact comparing him to the French says it all why he got my back up <laugh>. Shouldn't have branded you as a whole.
     
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  8. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    I compared you to the French in the post above.

    Sadly, a majority percentage of people I've come across who live inside the m25 are extremely arrogant and ignorant, just like a Frenchman without the accent. You either fit that description very nicely or you are a cretin.
     
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  9. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    I think it is quite time that this stops.....

    All starting to look ridiculous


    Thank you....
     
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  10. oldfrenchhorn

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    Do you mind! <grr>

    Insulting people seems to come quite naturally to you. My neighbours are very nice people who don't go round making silly comments about the English. <cool>

    However they would not read your comments on here, but if they did might take a different attitude! :(
     
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  11. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    It has - all sunk a bit low for me.<ok>
     
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  12. Markthehorn

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    True but I think that is maybe a worse case stiaution - doubt a bunch of owners would just decide to pick up 2 others clubs like that.

    I was only replaying to say its unfair for people generally to say we just fill our teams with loan players/non-british players.

    If the Pozzos weren't around we'd be in administration or borrowing players as you suggest from the top teams which as we've found out in the past is quite a short term system whereas we could buy most of these loan players from Udinese...at least even if its for 2/3 years that has some sort of long term planning and I do think the Pozzo are here for the long term.

    if they wanted a quick buck or two would they choose a smallish club in the championship with average gates of 13k?

    Trouble is so many top youngsters get picked by the top clubs and the EPPP regulations will increase that sadly - then they don't play and ofcourse want to play football so move on down the leagues (a good thing I suppose!)

    Even we let Ashley Young go once!
     
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  13. Leo

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    Bullshit man - I enjoy reading your comments when you keep to the subject. You are right only in the sense though that "bad" ownership of clubs can be harmful. Owning more than one club in itself is not a threat and as others have pointed out in Europe clubs often have reserve sides in lower divisions which is not much different.

    Be honest -can you think of any way to police a rule that stopped an individual or corporation owning more than one club -it would be a lawyer's dream. People can hide behind fronts and dummy corporations in ways us mere mortals cannot imagine.

    I ould worry less about multiple ownership and more about debt that can leave supporters without a club as you say you came close and we did u nder the maverick who owned us last year
     
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  14. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    The reserves teams point is not much different, but I think is still very much a part of the parent club, so should it go haywire it would still be the parent club that faces the consequences. And I do think it's rubbish that they have reserve teams in the professional league system, it does take integrity out of any league below the top flight. Something about English football I am very proud of is the mammoth scale of our league system, and how each and every team that fills it is unique and it's own club. I couldn't bare watching Man City, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea reserves finish top 4 in the championship every year and 5 and 6th get promoted. It would ruin the game, and probably would be the final nail making that premier league exclusive for 20.

    Your last point is exactly my worry, why not buy a little club for peanuts and use it to bank roll their big club, leaving the big club financially secure? They won't care if it goes into liquidation and the cost of the club could be less than the price of 1 player in this day and age!
     
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  15. wear_yellow

    wear_yellow Well-Known Member

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    Ok BB, time to move outside of the M25 and stop being French.....<yikes>
     
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  16. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    Realistically you could not bankroll a big club from debt in a little club. Who would put that debt in unless they got security? I spent 30 years in finance and never worked out how a little company could make a big one secure
     
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  17. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    How does one live inside a road anyway? I'm not even sure where it is - I assumed France but aren't they A roads?
     
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  18. tigercity

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    the pretend Nigerian from Hounslow is quite good ;)
     
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  19. NZHorn

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    I now have an image in my mind of the good people of Hounslow having 'Nigerian' parties at the weekend where they all pretend to have millions of dollars held in bank accounts that require my help to liberate. They all speak with fake Nigerian accents and some of them kidnap workers from the nearest petrol station. Some of them also object to polio vaccinations.

    I will never think of Hounslow in the same way again - or the people who live there.
     
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  20. Der Alte

    Der Alte Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure but I think our pretend Nigerian might actually have a sister who is a barrister and plays football for England.
     
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