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Wasn't there a story about Webber getting a new floor before Seb as he was leading him in the WDC, 2010?

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From a Seb bias side for me, it was in the contracts of both drivers that whoever is leading the WDC at the time gets number 1 status with regard to upgrades. Seb was leading against Webber at Silverstone and at no fault of his own the wing came off. Mark is a smart guy and he knows he's fighting Seb for the WDC so he doesn't want him to have an advantage on him and makes a fuss that he doesn't want him to have his wing, though reports said he didn't like it. RB ignores his current opinion as it's not what he said "2 hours ago" and Mark makes a big fuss, causes a few ripples and puts Seb in the limelight "Papers: Vettel demanded Webber's wing!" adding more pressure from the media and it worked.

I've never hidden my dislike for Webber in the past, people say he's a nice bloke, I say he is two faced back stabber that will play nice when needed and will become nasty when he knows he can get something out of it. Seb has done it in the past when he tried to push people into walls but at least the media tackle that subject yet Webber gets away with almost every issue and portray "He's just being honest".

I have always considerd Webber in the "same league" as Jenson, though 2011 did damage his reputation in the public. Mark could go into Ferrari and give Alonso a run for his money as number "1" and I don't think Alonso will dominate him like he's doing to Massa.

I say that because how many people said Lewis was going to destroy Jenson? Even I said the same thing and yet Jenson is giving him a headache.

 

i am not so sure the current ferrari management have an out and out no 1 policy in place in the same way they did in the schumacher / todt / brawn era , i just feel at the present they appear to back the driver that is delivering the goods for them as alonso is ,

i feel the equality would come back into the team if they ever choose a driver that could truly match alonso on a regular basis , at the moment with all the other top drivers spoken for i cant see anybody else with the exception of a fully fit kubica in the ferrari having the clout to change the ferrari way of doing things at the minute --

however you do have a point , with alonso being there any driver would have to think hard as to how good a career move it would be to join them on a number of levels -

 

He's involved in Ferrari's young driver programme but at the same time he's still not the finished article. Massa had a couple of years testing for Ferrari before they put him in a car alongside Schumacher. So while it's pretty much a given that Perez will end up alongside Alonso at some point, next season I think Ferrari will be looking for another "Mr. Reliable"; a set-up specialist to score points and help out Alonso, probably.

 

I've never even thought he was that great. He came into F1 with a bit of excitement from touring cars/sportscars and then got 5th in the Minardi on his debut, but just always felt he never lived up to other people's (and his own) expectations/hype.

He has had the car in the last few years to actually prove his hype and he hasn't done it. He's a Barrichello. Solid no.2 and will probably get a drive somewhere for as long as he wants, but is just a journeyman.

 

not sure about webber coming across as a two faced whatever , they all have that competitive side to there personalities which can get under peoples skins at times ,

must admit i agree with you about webber and button being in the same league , the history books will show that button has won a WDC where as mark is never likely to before he calls it a day ,

however i believe there is nothing between them in ability and pace , i have allways felt jenson is a bit of a one trick pony in his ability to pick the right tyre in changeable conditions but is lacking in other areas -

 

Which areas?

 

i personally think he is and has never been that quick in qualifying , i dont even think he is that quick in race trim compared to the likes of vettel , alonso , probally even kimi raikk is quicker than button in qual and race trim , he would also seem to need a perfect car to perform , he has never struck me as a driver that can make things happen without the benefit of a perfect package , lets not forget barrichello was very often a match for him in the many years they were teamed up at honda

not that jenson is not a very good driver off course he is , he just would not be my no 1 choice above the likes of vettel , alonso ,and probally even kimi raikk , a fully fit kubica i believe would also beat him -

the area where button is very good is picking the right tyre in changeable conditions but i just feel he is lacking a little pace compared to the others i have mentioned -

 

But, the times you get a championship winning car, he is as good as you want to be. If he isnt good in qualifying, then why is he keeping up with pace with Hamilton? (regarded as one of the better qualifiers)

 

but he is not keeping pace with hamilton in qual trim and never really has --

 

He's about a tenth slower than the guy arguable the quickest in qualy pace. In the second half of 2011 he started outside the top 3 once. He's a very good qualifier, just not great like his teammate. Its his weakest aspect so that not the worlds worst flaw. His race pace is more often than not at least equal to hamilton and over their time as teammates he has scored more points. How is he not a top teir driver?

 

dont get me wrong i dont have a downer on jenson and take into account there are more drivers currently in F1 than hamilton by which to make a comparison , personally i think since the fuel stops have been banned these last couple of seasons lewis himself has shown he has flaws which has allowed jenson to match him in race trim ,

i tend to look at the wider picture when i look at a driver and can think back when barrichello was something of a match for jenson at honda , as i said i just honestly believe he is not in the same ballpark as vettel , alonso , kimi raikk , or a fully fit kubica in the same machinery and i believe his qualifying flaw prevented him from really taking the fight to vettel last year in what was a brilliant mclaren --

all those 4 drivers in my opinion are quicker than button in qual and race trim , and there is nothing wrong with being a few tenths shy of such quality drivers as the four i mentioned -- just my opinion -

 

Well Lewis is just an example of a top driver to whom we can directly compare Jenson, but it doesn't matter. I feel its harsh on him, especially the stuff about a title challenge being possible last year, but you're entitled to an opinion.

 

I don,t think Ferrari are capable of producing a WDC winning car at the moment. Ferrari have lost their way technologically speaking, Alonso is making the car look better than it actually is, IMO.

Maybe the inclusion of a straight talking Aussie, who is technically aware and who could work with Alonso, maybe just what they need.

 

Or maybe Webber would moan about being number 2 when he can't beat Alonso by skill. Just like he does with Vettel. Webber would be a terrible team mate imo. You need someone who doesnt really care about being beaten and gets stronger by it. Button would be a perfect team mate, but someone like Sutil or Perez is good too.

 

Based on previous comments by Webber, I think he knows that Alonso is better than him, so if he goes to Ferrari I think his mentality would be similar to that of Button when he joined McLaren.

 

I think Webber and Alonso would work well together, I've got no proof just a feeling. Despite what some people may think I believe Alonso can be a very good team mate as well as a team player. Webber may have a moaner tag but he has often had a point and I think he is a grafter.

I don't think he'd be able to match Alonso so Ferrari can keep their clear cut 1-2 strategies, but I think he'd often finish within a place or two of Alonso, as well as being very experienced in car development.

 

Sir Jackie tips di Resta for Massa's seat. Wouldn't be a bad shout if he can keep up his early season form.

 

Why was doings banned? Anyone with an opinion gets shot?

 

Is he speculating or does he know something we don't...

 

He was martial artist.