Not everyone it seems. And not these days We got monked tbf but now he's gone so is that voodoo sign over us!
Our problems haven't stemmed from just a few bad games. They've been happening for years and they haven't been addressed. Hence why we always fall short in the league and in Europe. Why Piskie, despite everything that has happened, refuses to acknowledge this is something that I cannot comprehend. Wenger could have us finish 17th and you would still support him because he didn't get us relegated. Your relentless and unwavering support for the man is illogical. There may well be a few seasons of transition, but I would be willing to accept that so long as this culture of accepting mediocrity at the club fades away.
How do you define mediocrity?..... A lot of clubs would like your recent history. Totally get you want to be better though.
I'm the words of Ricky Gervais: "you are a maniac." 'few bad games'? Have you even WATCHED Arsenal the last five years? You repeat the same mantra: that some of our players are only here because of Wenger and might leave. Who? The only ones we should actually care about keeping are Sanchez and Ozil. The rest are replaceable. And if anyone is ONLY playing for us because of Wenger I don't want them here anyway. But give us evidence these players would leave or why you think they would. Which Chelsea stars left when Mourinho did? Which Barca stars left when Guardiola left? Which Bayern stars left when Heynckes left? Which United stars left when Ferguson left (oldies being shipped out aside)? And we might drop out of the champions league? a) who cares if we do for a season or two? We do nothing in it as it is anyway, it hasn't helped us attract players that win us the league, and Leicester and Spurs have proven you don't need CL to assemble a title challenging squad. And b) Are you under the assumption that our squad is depleted, on its last legs and being held together by Wenger magic or something? We have undeniably three of the best players in the world in their respective positions. Maniac.
I'm saying he shouldn't be sacked on the back of these bad run of games, I do acknowledge that we've been making the same mistakes for a while though, so your accusation isn't correct. Also your 17th scenario is just a bit of a silly exaggeration. I think you've said those things because you're frustrated that I don't totally agree with your stance. But what you need to remember is that I am not opposed to him being replaced. That is going to happen anyway, so we should be preparing for that scenario. The point for me is that we shouldn't just sack him without us being able to bring in a better replacement.
Some on here need to read their own comments on threads where you won matches. Earlier in the season it was all Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin, Monreal Coquelin+Chec (the difference makers and we are going to win the league, we have turned the corner with back to back FA Cups, Wenger made some great subs to change the game etc, etc. Now it's gone a bit pear shaped (still in with a great chance of the league and still in FA Cup), it's all Wengers fault, those great players are just following orders and don't care if they win or not (Wengers mentality not theirs, oh no). So who is at fault, Wenger or the players? maybe one hasn't changed and the others just aren't as good as you thought they were.
I've said those things because you are content with maintaining the status quo and everything that epitomises the mindset of our board and manager. Of course, you may want us to win the league - everyone does - but you're not that bothered if we don't make all the stops to get there so long as we can at least finish 4th. Not once in the last year and a bit have I witnessed you criticise the manager for his shortcomings. You seem to bizarrely think that Wenger is the glue that is holding everything together. He is the reason why we are falling apart. I don't care if you agree with me or not. It has no bearing on my life. But you need to justify it properly and you're not. Regurgitating the same rubbish that Arsene Wenger spouts in his press conferences isn't justification for him extending his stay at the club.
There is next to no substance in a comment like this (which I suppose makes it unsurprising it gets the thumbs up from PISKIE). Firstly, the main issue being discussed over and over most of the time is the manager. So I'd like to see the comments from posters typing that they thought Wenger was good enough for the job earlier in the season, if that's what you're insinuating. Secondly - if it is just players you're talking about and not the manager, then what has that got to do with the main argument going on that Wenger isn't good enough? Thirdly - if it is just players you're talking about fans turning on, and your issue is that people are changing their minds about whether they think they're good enough... what's the problem with that anyway? Are fans not allowed to change their minds? I could maybe agree with you if these are fans that constantly change their tune season after season about whether a player is good enough to play for us or not... but if it's just running out of patience with someone like Ramsay who's being given 5 seasons to develop and hasn't, what's the issue with that? All in all, the fault is shared. The manager has far too many glaring deficiencies and hasn't been 'good enough' for a decade. Some of the players at our club are also nowhere near as good as most of fans originally thought they were, and are also mentally weak. So yes, some players must take some blame, but ultimately the only person who can fix the squad and get those weaker players out of our club is the manager. And he's proven year after year that he can't and won't. (We also the issue of being stuck with board who don't care that we achieve nothing). So all in all, that's the issue we have and aren't happy about.
I don't agree because I've always given my opinion on what I've thought Wenger could have done differently after games we've lost and when we've made repeated mistakes. I also don't accept the status quo of just finishing 4th and it being okay each season, of course I want us to win the league and push further in the champions league. I've always given my opinions on what we could do better and how I think we could achieve that. I think you're making assumptions because you're a bit frustrated that I don't agree with you that Wenger should be sacked, but it could be that you've either ignored my comments on how we could approach things differently or to give you the benefit of the doubt, you may have just missed them.
I think that unless your criticism comes over in a 'wrist slashing, the word is about to end' style, it doesn't count as criticism. I'd also add that far too many on here readily heap praise on the players while ignoring Wenger's contribution when we win and single out Wenger for a battering whenever we lose. Their dogmatic stance is at times so illogical as to border on ridiculous. Not all of the 'AW out' camp and not all of the time, but many of them and too often nonetheless.
When we 'win'? I'll readily heap praise on Wenger when we win the league or Champions league. Been waiting years and years and years and years so far.......
If you're referring to me, and you appear to be indirectly referring to me, you couldn't be more wrong. You're making a bunch of points that aren't relevant and aren't true. Rather than speaking about situations that don't exist, how about actually dealing with what I've said properly? It would actually be nice for you to provide a worthwhile contribution to this board for once, considering everything you normally post is utter twaddle.
