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Arsenal vs Manchester City: Match Thread.

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Sanj, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

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    We did try try to keep him. The board cashed in rather than give him the wages he deserved.

    The bad guy isn't RVP in this situation.

    He's a player with ambition. We are a team without any.
     
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  2. Sanj

    Sanj Well-Known Member

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    And this is why we need a new midfielder. One injury and we are left reeling and deciding between playing a half-fit (if that) Diaby and Aaron Ramsey as our DM. <doh>
     
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  3. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Because he didn't turn down massive wages <doh>
     
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  4. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    I'm ****ing knackered.I've had a **** night's sleep <grr>
    Does anyone know if a steak & onion pasty is a healthy choice for breakfast ?
     
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  5. cannontotheright

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    ]I'm ****ing knackered.I've had a **** night's sleep <grr>
    Does anyone know if a steak & onion pasty is a healthy choice for breakfast ?

    Lol,
    You know it isn't, but a gentleman of your distinguished vintage is allowed to go with hungry over healthy.
     
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  6. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    A bad start to the day.The coach is running 30mins late
     
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  7. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Don't ****ing jinx it <grr>
     
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  8. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    If you hadn't been up all night perving over Giroud's FB pictures then you might have got a decent night's kip <ok>
     
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  9. TheBear

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    RVP is worth a big paycheck.


    I'll admit I dont know the full details but we know he was after a large pay increase to stay.
    In other words he wanted us to pay him what he would earn at Utd, Juve or any other big club. Well guess what 95% of ALL the TOP players will want the same thing!!

    Our ridiculous pay structure and the fact the board jump at the chance top 'cash in' is what is causing these players to leave.

    It's time we stopped blaiming, RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Flamini, Adebayor etc.. and look to our own club for explanations.
     
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  10. Gooner

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    Any good links for watching today's games? I just cancelled my Sky sports
     
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  11. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Good man <ok>

    firstrowsports.eu
     
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  12. Arsenal87

    Arsenal87 Well-Known Member

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    hahasports.com
     
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  13. Drudeboy

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    atdhenet.tv

    never let me down yet
     
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  14. Jamrag

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    Arsenal v Man City, from the anti-Arsenal perspective

    In one sense it must be easy to write match previews of Arsenal games from an AAA perspective since one can by and large write pretty much the same stuff every time.

    Better, there is no need to put in any evidence when giving an opinion, nor indeed back up any assertions with facts or citations. Just saying, makes it true.

    So one can thus say, in previewing the Man City game today that the Arsenal manager is too old to be doing his job. The argument here is that you can more or less tell successful a manager is going to be by his age, and anyone over 60 is always likely to be less smart than some aged, 50. Thus one predicts the result of the match by the age of the manager.

    In this case Mr Wenger is 63 and Mr Mancini is 48, so Mr Mancini will win by 15 clear goals (although it might be that each year is only worth half a goal, so maybe 7 goals will be the difference).

    Now quite why this might be so is never made clear. Older people might be more tired than younger people – but not always (it depends to some degree on health and experience). Older people might have more experience and be able to make more use of it (but here again it depends if experience is indeed a good way of making decisions – if the world changes all the time, age is no benefit).

    It is an interesting argument, and it brings up a lot of issues to debate – but that is where the AAA often (not always but often) falls down. Assertion is considered a better arguing tool rather than debate, analysis or complex re-evaluation of the whole situation.

    One of the key elements however in current AAA thinking is that Mr Wenger must not be allowed to sign any more players, because his choices are always wrong. Now it is not quite clear why our summer transfers last year are considered so bad, but since another part of the AAA philosophy is that if only Arsenal could stop ending up in the top four, then Arsenal would drop out of the Champions League and Mr Wenger would be sacked then clearly we have two contrary arguments here. If Mr Wenger buys only bad players, then let him buy more players so that we sink out of the Champions League and he goes. Or if he buys good players, then we must stop him buying so that we sink out of the Champions League because the current crop are not good enough. Either way I imagine quite a few Tottenham supporters would go with either of these, but not both at once.

    A further point in the argument against Arsenal buying anyone is that if anyone is bought he will be played on the wing, his talent will be destroyed and he will become useless. (I don’t know if anyone in the AAA has ever debated that Henry started on the wing, and was made a centre forward by Mr Wenger at the age of 23, exactly the age of Theo now. But perhaps that is a detail). But again if the aim is to have Arsenal finish outside the top four, surely we should buy lots of players because they will be useless and will be played out of position.

    Another approach is the use of the “I’m told” phrase as the opener to any suggestion of what might happen, or as the preface to any “joke” against Arsenal and Arsenal players. So with Diaby playing as an over age player for the under 21 team there is a notion that it is somehow droll to suggest that he is the heralded January new signing who is going to play for Arsenal.

    This is interesting in that “I’m told” is used both for jokes and for serious postings in which it is seriously suggested that inside information on Arsenal’s future has been obtained. Also Untold is occasionally said by the AAA to be a part of the official Arsenal club, or that the authors are paid by Arsenal. The AAA of course never claim this of themselves, but they do have sources (probably living in large houses in Surrey) who have the inside information. “I’m told that….” and the man in the Big House speaks.

    Thus all players who lose their way or never make it to the top at Arsenal are poor not because of their own problems with playing, but because of the manager. Which leads to the interesting conclusion that Chamackh is therefore expected to do well for WHU, and Mr Wenger is expected then to claim the credit.

    But just asking that we don’t sign anyone is never enough. Players who we might sign are insulted (“he has the mental age of a 12 year old” was one recent comment), and I suspect that many an agent and many a player will have looked at this sort of thing and thought “I’m not going to Arsenal with insults like that around”. These guys are most likely making it harder and harder for Arsenal to get their players.

    So, Arsenal buy poor players (presumably like Podolski, Santi C etc) and the management of those players and the team selection are very poor.

    Abuse is also part of the message – not only of the manager, the players and any players we might sign, but also of any supporters who don’t fully agree with the AAA message. Requests (I use the word loosely) for those who have alternative views to meet outside the ground for a face to face exchange of views (I use the phrase loosely) also appear.

    It is also sometimes claimed that not only do we have no tactics, but that we also have the wrong tactics (eg playing players out of position). Along side this is the notion that players from by gone times were much better.

    One who is cited on occasion as a player who gave his all for Arsenal, and who all Arsenal fans loved, is Ian Wright. It is claimed that he would always work hard for the team, no matter what. This would be the same Ian Wright then who on 13 December 1997, after the home defeat by Blackburn was warned by the police about his abusive behaviour towards a group of Arsenal fans after they had consistently booed him in the game and stood outside Highbury shouting anti-Wright chants.

    And that is another problem with the AAA – it is the lack of historical knowledge and perspective. In olden days we were great, now all our players are rubbish because they were signed by Mr Wenger. Well, up to a point guys (as Lord Copper was always told).

    Thus the prediction for today’s game: Arsenal 0 Manchester City 15. Wenger's team selection will be

    Diaby

    Diaby Diaby Diaby Diaby

    Diaby Diaby

    Ramsey

    Diaby Diaby Diaby
     
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  15. gent

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    tl;dr?
     
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  16. Gooner

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    Thanks for all your suggestions....should've done this ages ago
     
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  17. Arsenal87

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    Diaby starting. Mertesacker is on the bench along with Giroud.
     
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  18. Mantis

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    Strong looking bench. Still no Rosicky...
     
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  19. Drudeboy

    Drudeboy Well-Known Member

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    okay, fairly strong team. glad to see diaby back, hope he can last the full 90, or at least most of it.

    what confuses me is why mertesacker is on the bench when we knew that city would start with Dzeko (Aguero injured and Balotelli being Balotelli). we could get destroyed if they put crosses in. both vermaelen and koscielny are strong in the air, but Dzeko is 6'4, and will win almost all duels in the air. need our attack to be on top form, because we will concede.
     
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  20. Arsenal87

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    Strong bench? Really? Other than Giroud, who can we bring on to change the game if we need it? That's far from a strong bench and shows how much depth we're lacking in terms of attacking quality.
     
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