Arnie's apparently about to sign for Sunderland

Personally, I think team chemistry and morale is more important. But the players we have got in -

Remy Cabella + Siem De Jong - We've lost Cabaye, but gained two playermakers, one who is potentially a prolific goal scoring midfielder.

Janmaat, not as good as Debuchy, but still good, and far more tame. Debuchy was often too impulsive. I'd rather have a player that doesn't lose his head. He was part of a defense that reached 3rd in the world cup, and managed to keep world class players at bay.

Colback. Free, passionate and real potential. Great squad member.

Revierra - Quick, 10 goals in 19 stars in the french league, skillful and a right good addition.

We've kept Coloccini which is a signing in itself, and we have an all round solid midfield that is better than anyone elses outside the top 6/7. All we need is another striker and we could easily challenge in the top 7/8.

Suck my sack if you disagree...

 

And where is this chemistry and morale going to come from? The inspirational ap? Good luck with that. The renford rejects had chemistry and morale...

 

The fact that we were bottom of the form table for the last half of the season and still finished in the top 10 should tell you about our potential. We can be ****ing brilliant, but we lost our main playermaker, and Remy had spells of injury, and that hurt us.

Under Pardew, we can be ****, but the top 5 finish wasn't a fluke, and nor was our sessions of great football. Pardew either knows exactly what he's doing, or knows **** all.

But that's what's great about being a Newcastle fan, we can be **** or good, and it's always going to bring you something different. Consistently inconsistent.

 

Which one of you changed his Wikipedia entry to say that his latest team are called Sad Mackem Bastards?

 

No 5th wasn't a fluke. A fantastic season, unfortunately form is temporary. But you have sold many of the players that helped achieve that and replaced them with inferior ones and that was how many seaons ago anyway? You may as well say you won the league in (insert year) and use that as demonstration of potential. You sold the heartbeat of your squad without even so much as a replacement. You have an owner everybody hates, a violent manager that alienates his players, Joe Kinnear lurking in the corridors. Finishid 10th between Stoke a team full of superstars and Palace who spent much of the season towards the bottom . Make no mistake, you are nothing more than a midtable team and from Spurs and Everton down any team that has a good season can finish as best of the rest, of which half the league are competing for. Anyone can have a good run of beating Chelsea, Man U and drawing with Man City and other than the top teams, 75% of the league go in to the next game not having a clue of the outcome. The only thing great, or special or different about being a Newcaslte fan is that it is yours and that applies to every fan of every club.

 

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Yeah cause Pards knows all about that. By the way, our recruitment process is all about chemistry, it's about the right player for the system. Pardew doesn't even know what a system is.

 

Again, faulty logic. You cannot just use the "form is temporary" thing to wave off a full season. To finish 5th you need to do something significantly right over most of the season. We started and finished very well. We had a poor spell, but we were mostly very effective on the pitch, and played passing football as well as hoofball when needed.

You carry on going on about inferior players, but I disagree. We sold Barton, Nolan and Carroll, and got the likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Remy, Ba. We've sold some of them, but now we have Cabella and Siem De Jong, niether of which are as good as Cabaye, but two players that, together, can provide more for the team.

We had Cabaye, but were lacking in other areas, and had to rely solely on him for a lot of our creativity. Now we have two playermakers when we used to just have one, and I guarantee they'll get more goals between them than Cabaye. On top of that, Cabaye's attitude was quite often very poor, and he was injured too often for my liking.

I'd say the problem isn't who we replace our players with, but when we have funds available. It's not our or Pardew's fault if we have no money to buy anyone.

The main reason, in my opinion, why we weren't challenging for 5/6th again the season after we did so, is because Ashley doesn't care about success, and didn't see the need to spend because he's inept when it comes to what we need for the team.

If we had done what most teams would have done and bought at least a couple of players, we'd have been strong enough to go and challenge again. But no. We bought next to f** all after the season we finished 5th. And after that we did what we usually do and sell a player, and wait another 6-12 months before replacing.

Pardew isn't a great manager, but we have potential underneath him. We have played great football, and balls to your form is temporary crap. We've done it on many different occasions, and due to poor squad depth we couldn't carry on challenging when our best players were sold or injured...

Which isn't really Pardew's fault. Yes, the guy should share some of the blame, but the season we finished 5th we didn't have great cover, but we had players who could step in and do a job if our better players were injured. Unfortunately we didn't get money to spend off the fat f**ers that runs us when we needed it, and that's what's been our main problem.

The owner has no ambition, yet, we've still managed to take what limited resources we've had at times and turn it into great football. We finished 5th in that season despite, at one point, having no players what so ever for certain positions. It was so bad at one point that we had to play 4 fullbacks as we had coloccini, saylor, williamson all out injured, and had to play the likes of Danny Simpson and CB.

It's not the fans, players or managers fault if we get no money to spend, and it's quite clear with the pathetic bids we put in times that the owner has no intention in strengthening more than we need for safety, or maybe top 10 so we can still see a sizable profit.

Another downfall of ours is that our fans are just too f**ing loyal to leave, and we still get 50k average crowds. The fat f** knows this, because if we did what we probably should have done and stopped buying merchandise and going to games, he'd have his wallet out in seconds if he thought the club was going to fail to bring in money.

But unfortunately, he knows we'll still buy season tickets and still turn up whatever the result, and therefore sees no need to invest in the team as much as he should. We could very easily do what Everton are doing now, not because Pardew is in the same caliber as Martinez, but because of what we can do with limited funds and limited resources, and the football we've proven we can play, and our squad is significantly better than Everton's ever has really been since they finished 4th under moyes.

They often loan players instead of buying, like us, but their depth has been far worse than ours has been quite often, and the owner invests even less than Ashley does! We could easily be challenging for 6th at least! I don't see why, with proper investment, we're inferior to the likes of Spurs.

Add a striker of Remy's quality to the side, which we quite easily could do, and maybe another CB, and we have a solid squad.

 

Siem de Jong is not a ****ing playmaker Tash!

Cabella is the creative signing in there, but then, 2 years back you had an in form Ben Arfa, who is better than Cabella.

That said, I dunno what I'm arguing, as I agree with the signings you have made 8th is realistic.

Riviere's stats tell half a story, by the way, if you've actually watched him.

He's easily knocked off the ball and far from consistent or natural as a finisher, he scored those goals in one of a 2 horse race league with a midfield bossed by James Rodriguez, I reckon I'd have scored a few with the service he had.

He could go either way, but I'd be mortified if we'd signed him, that said, I'd have loved Cabella or de Jong, who is a great LINK player and a tidy finisher.

NOT a playmaker.

Interested which striker 'easily added ' of Remy quality you think you can get?

 

Tash man, I said you had a good season ffs. But it was how long ago? The players you have sold in recently have been replaced by lesser players. Still good ones. That's something your club do well, recruitment. But to claim chemistry and morale with pafdew as manager is a joke. I doubt you believe what you are saying. All you can hope for is being the best of the rest. All teams have potential if thr y get the its and buts but that's all they are its and buts

 

Alonso was one of our best players last season, so he should have been signed, attacking defender as well, Colback was o k but did not get forward enough when in that position.

 

give ower lad your target is painted on yer back

 

I love that the games are off and running already. Personally I think we are looking no more than decent and have probably done enough to stave off any relegation fears. If we are doing well come January, I'm sure we'll manage to flog a few to stave off any fear of getting out of mid table mediocrity.

 

Personally think our signings are decent, but wont see us going to the heights of 5th.

If we got 8th I would be very pleasantly surprised! Midtable is our lot in life. As for 'Arnie', Sunderland are signing a not so well known player, who will probably always be a midtable quality at his best, to fill a position they don't currently have for a very low price.

Don't see anything wrong with that personally!

 

Re-sign Remy and I would begin to dream of the lofty heights of 8th

 

With Arnie it is hard to tell for me. He was great attacking wise and suspect defensively. I think he'd suit Poyet's style of play. It will all depend how he has come on and in all honesty I haven't the foggiest. Alonso was well known to all and sundry after his time at Bolton. I always thought he looked talented and we were linked at one stage, but he had some serious injury problems. I assume he will sign for them and he'll do well. Pretty decent business in the left back area for me if they had those 2. Of course I wish them both all the worst and hope they flop, dropping loads of clangers along the way. Particularly come derby time.

 

We have recruited reasonably well IMHO.

Reference Arnie. Why do we have a thread on a bit part loanee from a few years back?

Not at all interested in who Sunderland sign.