Alex McLeish, Henning Berg, Michael Appleton (twice), Dean Saunders It took Dougie Freedman time to turn Bolton around
Just my view Proud - Forest acted deciseively before it got too late and are now steaming ... I don't think that will have gone unnoticed ...
Forest didnt act at all. McLeish quit over the Boyd and Burke fiasco. They tried to get the fans back onside by bring Davies back For every success, i can give you at least 2 failures
.. no doubt - but you are missing the point - I posted that I didn't think what the Venkys have just done helped Nigel Pearson's current predicament - you disagreed because you thought our owners would look to other departures and how teams have done after - I stand by what I said - their PR people, should they sack Nigel, will point to how long they gave hime compared to others in the league ... with a new ready comparative to back up such a stance ...
Given the way the Blackburn fans harrased Steve Kean out of the managers job, the word "Karma" springs to mind!! Chicken Karma
Blackburn just want the record for most managers in a season and saw Telford have had 4 since January. How have Blackburn done immediately after each change of manager?
Davies has returned to a club where he knows the set-up and some of the players still. Even better, many of his old enemies, such as Mark Arthur, were conveniently removed before he returned. If we got a new manager now he would have eight games with a set-up he doesn't know and a team he's unlikely to know. There's every chance that, if he failed, the new manager would get the sack after those eight games! Not really the same situation - unless you'd like us to bring Sven back?
Nigel Pearson has returned to a club where he knows the set-up and some of the players still ... I am merely making a point that our owners are rather trigger happy and are facing a dilemna right now .. if change galvanises the club exactly like Davies has done at Forest then we might just be THE form team going into the play-offs (maybe even a very slim chance of the second spot) ... if they do nothing and our current form continues then they are likely to be rather miffed that they didn't act ... right now I'm not sure what they are going do - but they haven't shied away from being ruthless so far have they? - however if we lose next time up I do then think that the fat lady has sung for Nigel ...
Nige returned to a club that Sven ****ed up while he was away and set it straight again. A much bigger job than Davies as gone to, as Forest had the sensible O'Driscoll earlier this season to do all the spade work. But your point is that the owners would look at Davies and think that a change would help us like it did Forest. My point is that Davies knew a lot about Forest already, unless we bring back Sven we can't do that if we replace Pearson and therefore we're in a different situation. Why do you think our owners are trigger happy? So far they've sacked two managers, Sousa, who to all intends and purposes was absolutely clueless and brought to this club some of the worst players I've even seen pull on a blue shirt (says all you need to know that he didn't get another job in this country), and Sven who, as the evidence you provided in the other thread shows, was spending money like it was going out of fashion and bringing in has-beens and never-will-bes. They got rid when we were clearly not going to be challenging for automatic and wanted a sensible manager to stop the cash haemorrhaging from our club, which is fair enough in my book - I think any of us would have done the same if we weren't getting value for money. This is the biggest test our owners have faced so far though. They know they have a good, sensible manager in Pearson but will they hold their nerve? I hope so. Up to this point, I honestly don't think they've put a foot wrong. And, getting on towards 72 hours after the Derby defeat, it looks to me like they're going to stick by him. I don't think they can be "miffed" if they don't sack Pearson and we miss out on promotion because they're not capable of looking at alternative timelines - there's no evidence whatsoever that replacing Pearson would have changed our destiny! I also would disagree with your last point - they need to make a final decision for the season NOW. We have a two week break and it would be the prefect time to break a new manager in before the busy Easter period. If they stick with Nige now, they have to stick with him for the rest of the season.
.. you've answered your own question .. Sousa was sacked after a run of having won one of nine league games Sven was sacked after a run of winning 5 of 13 league games Nigel Pearson is currently on a run of having won one league game in ten ... however, I suspect that if he gets the sack it will be because his hair style is considered rather gay in Thailand ...
I already went into detail about why the sackings of Sousa and Sven were justified. It had nothing to do with form on the field but deeper, more problematic issues. Other than form, I can't see any justification for sacking Pearson.
Disgraceful @RobbieSavage8: I'm led to believe Appleton walked into training and was handed a letter off Shebby Singh PA notifying him he was being sacked ! Shocking
Sven was a car crash waiting to happen. Imagine if we got his hands on the owners chequebook again in Jan Nigel has been very sensible in the market, he has got us a young, attacking side. Yeah we have floors just like everybody else but when things go right for us we are more then a match for anyone
.. then I wish I could visit 'fluffy world' with you .... thank you for explaining why the sackings of Sousa and Sven were justified ... but whilst you might have convinced yourself I have to say you haven't convinced me - my 'alternative theory' is that they were sacked because of the stats above - our owners would not give a toss about wage bills or anything else if we were where Cardiff are - they are very wealthy and prepared to back managers with funds - but they do demand success - and when they are not getting it they sack people (and the evidence for that is there for all to see) ...
.. all true Proud ... but that won't save his arse ... only results on the pitch will ... and he is running out of time ... managers are a very disposable commodity in modern day football and Nigel is no different just because he is OUR manager ... I've backed every manager of our club since Frank O'Farrell and will continue to do so, but it doesn't do to get too attached or sentimental - some will leave us because they see what they believe to be a better opportunity and some will fall by the wayside for not 'delivering' - the only thing that is certain is that they go ...
Fluffy world?! So you think Sven ans Sousa were doing good jobs?! Of course the owners don't mind spending if they get good results - I believe they still feel this. That's why they got Sven in the first place (and to establish us a brand in Asia, which I don't think really succeeded either). But it didn't happen. Sven was a massive failure and they instead went down the sensible route and got a manager that knows this league and knows the youth set-up in this country. Sven didn't know **** about this league and tried to get us up with Prem rejects. With the two previous sackings, you have to ask yourself what would have happened if they didn't act: Sousa - I think we were in serious threat of relegation. A million miles away from our owners ambitions. - therefore good decision. Sven - would have chucked more disgraceful amounts of money at the problem which would have put us further in debt and likely no nearly promotion. No evidence that Sven's spending had actually improved us at all. - therefore good decision. Nige - we're still in with a shout for promotion this season (more than the other two ever accomplished) and even if we don't make it, next season our young squad will be a bit more experienced and will included some more quality additions, plus he'll do his damnest to get wasters like Danns and Beckford (Sven's mistakes) off our books - so it would be a bad decision. I can't really simplify it any more than that.
