I agree that Duchatelet has taken us backwards and lost a big chunk of supporters. Some will come back and some will not, when he leaves. For that reason I will never forgive him. There is no doubt that he has run the Club down. But is it worse than what Hulyer did to the Club? When we were minutes from extinction. Gliksten had a great opportunity to make Charlton one of biggest clubs in London but he refused to invest and sold our best players. I truly believe that Robinson, Bowyer and Jackson are doing a good job under difficult circumstances. What I don't get @lardiman is why weren't you as vociferous on Ittv as you are on Here?
I started following Charlton in the Michael Gliksten era, and eventually joined in the Gliksten Out demo. I learned then to be careful what you wish for, because Hulyer was even worse, not through lack of ambition, but through fecklessness which almost finished us off. But there was never the same apathy as now. Or the split fan base.
Ironic that a thread about apathy provokes more of a response than a thread about football, especially when there's a match on against a promotion rival. Is our club becoming like the Apathy Party, which had a lot of sympathy but none of their supporters could be bothered turning up to vote?
It’s not so much the arselicking of the Apologists that grates, some folk can’t help having been born with a brain the size of a frozen pea. It is the sheer lack of ambition. Naby Sarr is another case in point - Meire spunked something like £3m on a player so poor we have hardly been able to use him. He puts in a 6/10 performance against Real Oxford and Stadler & Waldorf over on ITTV are comparing him to Franz Beckenbaeur.
I was fairly clear in my anti-RD opinions on ITTV during my first year or so as a member there (the relegation season) and at the time I think the majority of members were in broad agreement. Sometimes I used to feel a bit sorry for the few moderate voices like Jeddez, who used to get tons of abuse when he tried to be positive. I would often disagree with him, but I always tried to be civil when we argued - as he did as well, to be fair. After ITTV reinvented itself as pro-Duchatelet, I toned down my views considerably because I learned that anything even a bit radical would now be met with a salvo of abuse from certain members, rather than reasonable debate. It was at about this time as well that some unfortunate family business (I kid you not) unsettled my personal life for a while, and I took about three months off posting anything in any forum. Just before taking that break, I had begun posting things which were sometimes bizarre and not very coherent (even more so than I do now), and when some other ITTV members who I did respect began to point this out I thought I could really do with a break, to sort my head out. For all it's cliques and potential for nastiness, ITTV was still a forum with plenty of interesting things going on and some good company as well, so I went back after a while. But still there was very little room for anything other than pro-club opinions. For a while I tried to stay out of the political side of things and just post my facts and stats, but I found that less satisfying than feeling free to post opinions as well. After a while I realised I was self-censoring quite strictly - being really cautious and effectively walking on eggshells every time I posted something, in order to try to make my point without inviting a landslide of hostility. Once it became clear to me that even members like Mundell had no interest in any critical opinions about Duchatelet or honest debate about him, I was left pretty disillusioned. By that time I had finalised my membership here, and was enjoying a fresh perspective and the freedom to post what I really think without being shot down by morons. Eventually I challenged something posted on ITTV that I thought was another example of a veiled threat against a member of the protest movement, and the response to that challenge made it easy to decide it was time to part ways with that forum. There we go, that about covers it I think. Credit to Steve Brown, Webbo, Bquirke and others who keep plugging away, apparently impervious to the infantile abuse that gets hurled at them. I could tolerate it for a while but it became tedious to have to ignore it constantly, ultimately spoiling the enjoyment of being a member there.
ITTV can be summed up thus: An ego driven one man show - in which its Global Moderator knows that he is seen as a plastic fan and an outsider by all normal Charlton fans. What adult changes clubs he supports in his forties? Desperate to be accepted, Reams / May in reality wants to be the Rick Everitt/ Ben Hayes of the modern era. What those two arselickers were to Murray, May wants to be to Duchatelet. The problem for Reamsy is that Everitt & Hayes latched on to Murray when he was popular with fans, and we were in the Premier League. Trust Old Reamsy to back the wrong horse at the wrong time.
I just can't see why anybody would take offence at anything you post Lardi?...... unless they happen to be a moron
The whole point of a discussion forum should be an honest exchange of views. Abusing someone for disagreeing is not how we do things here on Not606.
No sudden appearance of threads full of pictures of mass hooliganism at a recent Turkish or Greek football match. No rash of new threads (three or four per day sometimes) starting with cut/pasted posts from CL. No mad ramblings from self-proclaimed lecturers or speech writers for Neil Kinnock. All in all much more relaxed and easy going...
please log in to view this image The only person you have to be fearful of on here. It looks like he has had a few as well btw!
Agree Robinson is probably the best person who would be willing to work under these conditions, for Bowyer and Jackson their 1st opportunity to "manage" . They love the club, the question is should they have rejected this opportunity in view of the owner & CEO and risk the chance to develop their football coaching career, not an easy call I would argue
You are too kind - and I would say both you and Royston have a talent for getting straight to the point ,which I do envy. Often you will say something more clearly in one line than I manage to in ten.
