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Anyone else now a little worried about Chelsea?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Jayram_Football, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    Are you blind?! Where on this thread has given you that idea?
     
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  2. theHotHead

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    He has selective eyesight ;)
     
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    He is a strange fellow, is Dona_Mara. He pops his head into threads on the Arsenal/Chelsea board and makes random and snide remarks, before ****ing off.
     
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  4. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    Tell me about it <laugh>
     
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  5. Disagree - I think Chelsea have the game to have a chance against Barcelona. There will also be a LOT of motivation for Chelsea after being cheated out of a CL final place by Barca a short time ago.

    No doubt SJW is right - the ref's will be very much on Barca's side - but Barca are beatable. We were a fraction from knocking them out last year and they were arguably in better form then.
     
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  6. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Try as you might, you called it wrong and made an error of judgement on Wenger and our players.

    What you had been saying ???? You were saying that Wenger should be sacked, Walcott should be sold and the board should be kicked out, they were hardly tactical 'tweaks'. You were asking for a complete sea change and one that would have plunged the club into a crisis mid season.

    Walcott playing in a different way ??? How exactly ? He's played attacking RWF all season and his game has been based on a mixture of direct runs into the box, crosses and cutbacks for RVP, and shots across the keeper. The difference now is that he and the team have their confidence back, partly due to our best players returning from injury and to form - and Walcott's play is coming off. We're also getting results now because we are arresting the mistakes that WE were making. Mikel Arteta spoke about it earlier in the season in his 'small things' article, maybe you should read it, it will show you where you called it wrong and where the real solutions were to be found.

    It's no surprise that a manager makes adjustments to during a season depending on the circumstances and squad availability, but to claim that what you 'all have been saying came to fruition because Wenger fixed it' is pure bunkum mate, you called nothing, other than suggestions that would have made things much worse for our club.

    You should have listened to those who said that the solutions were within the manager, the players and the club -

    i.e. You should have shown a bit more faith in Wenger, not called for him to be sacked.
     
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  7. cjuliennech1

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    I think that chelsea still have a long way to go to get back to there best, they were half decent against city and got a very lucky goal, and spurs absolutely battered them in the match at stamford bridge and should have won quite comfortabley, and then on tuesday night they were solid but did not look like very impressive by any means. They got the result but there were some very nervy moments and benfica were below par, i still don't think that tie is over yet. If anything i'm more concerned about spurs but the good thing is that we only need to worry about our games and as long as we keep winning nothing else matters.
     
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  8. theHotHead

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    PISKIE - you make this too easy, you really do.

    1) I have never called for Wenger to be sacked, I have chosen my words carefully on every post throughout. I have said big changes need to be made and if Wenger isn't willing to make them he should go. On the 17/09/11 I wrote an article saying we need a Q&A with the manager and the board. Hardly the will of someone who wants Wenger and the board out.

    2) I said Walcott is a crap winger and if we play him as a winger - get rid of him. I have maintained that Walcott is a striker and I'd like to see him played as such. On the 07/06/11 I wrote an article about money that could be raised from player sales. I didn't include Walcott - but I did say if I was being utterly ruthless I would include Walcott ! This is because I know he is a good striker and a poor winger - when played in his proper position I had no doubt he would be good.

    3) I have only very recently complained about the board because, in my opinion, it was Wenger making all these daft decisions. In fact when I came to the conclusion the board were responsible I wrote an article claiming Arsenal need investment and if the board are not willing to invest they should go on 16/02/02.

    4) Everyone here can see we have changed our style of play, we are getting the ball forward quicker. Everyone can see that Walcott isn't receiving the ball as much near the touchline but further infield. He has sometimes been further forward and more central than RVP. You are the only person who cannot see it.

    5) We all called for the changes, long before this season. People have been calling for more direct play and an end to tippy happy football. I said play Walcott as a striker ages ago. I complained that Wenger takes too long to make changes. We said we needed a tall CB. These fundamental changes have all been made THIS SEASON after our abysmal start. Your arguments are pie in the sky rubbish PISKIE, as usual and everything I say I can prove.

    6) Like I said - I was RIGHT and you were WRONG. We called it it happened. Wenger made some of the changes we wanted to see .. we improve. FACT.

    Now prove me wrong, cos I just proved I am right.
     
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  9. PINKIE

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    Easy, don't make me laugh Maybe I'm tarring you with the same doom monger brush as Jayram, but you still called it wrong. Wenger apologist, blind faith, burying your head in the sand etc etc . . . .

    When all along, I said that we were never that far off and just needed to stop making mistakes. The solutions were always within the squad, some of you just couldn't see it. The improvement in play has come from

    (1) Players returning from injury and regaining form
    (2) Subsequent confidence.

    Hence players like Walcott and indeed the whole team playing quicker, more direct and indeed more productive football with a better end result.

    This is not a revolution - like I said, go back and read Arteta's article on 'small things' in it, you will find where you called it wrong and where it was always about having the solutions within our club.

    Wenger didn't make huge changes, he was always employing this approach. You should pay more attention to what he and Pat Rice do during games, if you do, then you'll notice things like Wenger urging players to push forward, move the ball quicker, close the spaces, get to the ball quicker, which they have been doing ALL SEASON. Have you ever heard Pat Rice screaming 'GO TO THE BALL' ? The difference has been that confidence is now paying the dividends that the manager has been advocating.

    You've proved nothing, other than that you over reacted and panicked earlier this season
     
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    Aah, good to see everything's back to normal. You guys getting along was weird.
     
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  11. PINKIE

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    This <ok>

    I'd also add that Sanga returning allowed Walcott's game to flourish.

    Our improvement was down to players returning from injury and back to form. Not because Wenger made changes after reading not606 and HotHead's suggestions <laugh>
     
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    <laugh> was about to say!
     
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    I just think some people panicked and made outlandish comments that were well wide of the mark. They also made outrageous suggestions that would have undoubtedly damaged our club and plunged us into a crisis, when the solutions were always within our own grasp.

    The doom mongering has now been shown up as being premature, so now the same people have tried to save face by suggesting that we've made changes that they were calling for - outrageously arrogant and utterly deluded in my opinion. It would have been better to simply eat some humble pie and admit that they just got it wrong. It was an error of judgement and perhaps with it may come a realisation that Wenger is probably best placed to know how to manage his team.
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    Bollox.

    Yet again PISKIE loses an argument and refuses to admit it. The proof is there for all to see. I'm done with you on this.
     
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  18. PINKIE

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    <doh> I've just explained in detail where you got it wrong.

    For someone who thinks Song is no better than a non league player, I guess it was always going to be an uphill struggle trying to explain common sense to you <ok>
     
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  19. theHotHead

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    Common sense and you do not go hand in hand my friend.

    I outlined my opinions and arguments, I provided my history of posts on the topics as a reference to back up my points. the Arsenal we see now is NOTHING like the Arsenal we saw back when I was complaining the most, the changes we have seen are reflected by my complaints - the very changes I wanted to see have mostly been made.

    You can't admit you are wrong, fine, but everyone else who can read can see it for themselves. Yours is a victory of ignorance, you are welcome to it, you try to justify your argument by moving the goalposts and even then you still lose. I addressed your argument piece by piece yet still you argue the toss when you have lost. Like I said, I proved I was right. Move the goal posts again if you want, you are arguing with yourself bloke.
     
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  20. theHotHead

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    To make it crystal clear:

    • I said Wenger had lost the plot, I never said sack Wenger
    • I only recently came to the conclusion that the board are equally culpable
    • I never said sell Walcott, I said play him as a striker
    • I said we need to get the ball forward quickly and stop faffing with it
    • I said our defence was poor and that Mertesacker wasn't the answer - too slow
    • I said the buys were panic buys (Benayoun, Santos etc)

    These have been MY complaints. Explain to my how I was wrong <ok>
     
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