We do like to identify people who are different in some way and highlight it and then victimise them.
Its always been the way since time began…….and always will be. However it should also be recognised that just because you disagree with someone’s opinions or views…..it doesn’t make them the victim and you a bully.
So sorry to hear that, sadly not surprised, Christopher Rufo, an American conservative activist actually openly said a ‘tactic’ to oppose lgbtq+ was to sexualise the issues… Just in case you’ve not seen this music video.. it’s quite powerful
But then there is also the undeniable fact that some sections of the LBTQ+ go out of their way to sexualise the issue.
No more than other demographics. You only hear about it more because ****s like Rufo push it which is the point. You take Beth’s example for instance where these people were shouting peado at them, I’ve never seen any statistics to suggest trans people per capita are higher offenders in relation to sex offences of any kind, and if there statistics to say that would you not think people would use those stats… a lot. When was the last time you were chased and called a nonce for being a heterosexual male? Oh right that doesn’t happen.
My point was Will, that the Gay community have historically been sexualised, promiscuous and very open with their sexuality in general for many years. You only have to look at some of the way people are dressed at gay pride marches to see that. Not knocking them for it as i really couldn’t give a **** if some bloke wants to dress in black lacy underwear, stockings and a pair of leather chaps. However, is it really any surprise then that some people will be offended and will use it as a means of attack (I don’t mean physical).
Whilst ignoring the sexualisation in heterosexual society, you just don’t notice that because it’s been normalised.
I have most definitely noticed it, and at certain times I’ve disagreed with it, for example the sexualisation of young girls underwear that’s been highlighted. However, being gay, trans, bi etc doesn’t give you a free pass to escape criticism. That’s just not fair.
Well now you’re comparing certain elements of the lgbtq community to the sexualisation of children. I think that proves my point very well.
Eh ? You said I’d ignored sexualisation in heterosexual society and I gave you a clear example of how I hadn’t. You’re now making bizarre accusations that I find quite offensive. I honestly thought you were able to have an adult discussion about the issue but sadly it seems not. I’m disappointed to say the least. Have a good day fella
That is what you said in response to me saying about the sexualisation of heterosexual society, something you rightly disagree with and caused controversy. I didn’t bring it up you did. However that is in no way a comparison to what you object to from the lgbtq community, the only possible accusation I am making is you bringing a false equivalence into the conversation.
The conversation is there for all to see Will…..take it as you want ‘cos I genuinely don’t give a ****. You make my point quite clearly…….and again quite clearly, you can’t have a rational conversation on the subject without giving out false accusations. I honestly thought you were better than that. And as I quite clearly wrote…I (the individual) don’t object in any way, however I can see why someone would
ok tell me where I’ve got this wrong Beth mentions what her friend had to deal with. I mentioned a conservative political activist who uses sexualising the lgbtq community as a tactic to demonise the community. You mentioned that elements of the lgbtq community who are openly sexual so suggesting they don’t help themselves at times. I said that no more than we do in the heterosexual society, but that’s not noticed because it’s been normalised. Then you brought up kids sexualised underwear, something we both don’t think is right as something sexualised in society you don’t agree with, unless you are meaning that as some sorta comparison why the hell did you bring it up? I challenged why you use the sexualisation of kids as a comparison as it’s not. I’m not having a go or saying you are this that or the other. For me it just demonstrates that the lgbtq community will get criticism for something that if it was done by heterosexuals.. they wouldn’t.
I used the sexualisation of childrens underwear as an example, as it was the first thing that sprang to mind. I fail to see that by picking that example, I in any way was making a direct comparison to the Gay community and children specifically…..it was just an example of what I see as sexualisation in the heterosexual community. Noth8ng more, nothing less and wasn’t, as you obviously see it, a backhanded snide comment on the gay community. Anyway I’m done with this, and quite frankly done with you. Properly pissed off by it all now.
Not excusing the above but when that’s worthy of a post and yet the below hasn’t been posted anywhere on this part of the site.. does nobody see the problem? Really?
Of course the LGBQT+ is sexualised because that is what it's about. It is a desire to be with ( and have sex) with a person you want to ... ( trans is slightly different, so will leave that a moment). So it cannot be separated, and why should it.... I see it as no different to similar heterosexual urges. The displays of "peacockness" in gay people is just the same as the "peacockness" seen in heterosexual people. ...but is just more acceptable to the norm of society. Trans is slightly different I think and it is a lack of happiness in the body you are born in, and a desire to be a different gender, and may or maynot have a sexual motive. The people I know are just so much happier as the opposite gender and are not motivated by a sexual need more by a whole being need. I still really can't see why society can't just let people get on with their lives, and leave others to get on with theirs.
