So are big clubs only measured on their histories Page Moss? You post about your history which is indeed impressive but what about now? Are you feared as you once were and is your football all that good now? Have you won a treble recently to match the Liverpool sides of old? The old Roker Park used to hold about the same as WHL when packed to capacity but Sunderland haven't been anywhere near as successful as Spurs in trophies. It's not as well known abroad either. If Spurs isn't a big club then I don't know what is. What's the ground capacity at Anfield anyway?

, haven't read all of the thread, life's too short, but this one got hijacked for sure.