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Another reckless display by Hamilton

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by colinsmith11, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Kyle?

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    But boring Button gets the job done. I'd start throwing Paul Di Resta's name in with the top drivers. That guy should be a champion, if provided with a good car.
     
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  2. Big Ern

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    Silly mistake, not really worthy of a penalty, but then neither was Alonso in Malaysia IMO, and they were fairly similar incidents, feel a bit sorry for Massa, but the way he's been driving this season he sort of deserves it a bit.

    Edit: Di Resta has had his fair share of bad drives this year, and yes he is a rookie, but let's not forget he's been racing at a high level for a good number of years unlike the other rookies.
     
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  3. Delete Me

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    Second that! The emergence of another British talent is starting to shine on Paul.

    Sign him up Norbert!
     
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    I mentioned the GF's because I was bored with the thread, but my opinion of Nicole is based on how she portrays herself, if someone acts like a bimbo then I'm going to assume they are a bimbo.

    But if you want my honest opinion on LH then here it is.

    I believe that from the moment Lewis arrived in F1 he set himself extremely high standards, that were almost impossible to reach, this was fueled by the press and some of his more extreme fans.

    The problem is he is not obtaining his goals and worse still he sees Vettel breaking every record in the book, this is causing him to become extremely frustrated and the more frustrated he gets the more mistakes he makes, this manifests itself on and off the track and with the way he deals with other drivers.

    He is now caught in a spiral where the more mistakes he makes the harder he tries and the harder he tries the more mistakes he makes.

    He needs to sit down and re evaluate himself and accept he is not the greatest driver ever to walk the planet. Because if he doesn't then he will end up being a wasted talent just like Jean Alasi and that would be a crying shame.

    I hope that is not to controversial
     
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  5. Kyle?

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    Get rid of Rosberg, who's a massive waste of time, and put Paul in the car.
     
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  6. Kyle?

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    Good post. I don't think Hamilton set his standards that high, i think it was Ron Dennis who did it. Remember, if Hamilton wins 2 more world titles, Ron'll give him the McLaren F1 from their museum. The british media have naturally overhyped him, as they did with Button at first, but when Button found himself sliding back down the pack, the press left him alone. Maybe a couple of seasons in a bad car would help Hamilton, it would maybe get some of the attention off him. Or maybe he should try some more careful driving, like he did at Monza.
     
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  7. Julius Caesar

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    You strike me as watches for the crashes. Button makes just as many passes, but he doesn't hit them. How drole of him.
     
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  8. mephistopheles

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    He has done nothing to earn that title all he has done is crash,crash and crash, even his world title wasn't that convincing..

    Also his tactics aren't exactly bringing him many wins are they.

    Also boring Button has made 54 competitive overtakes this season far more than any other driver but if you find that boring then so be it.

    His drive in canada has been called the drive of the century but I suppose thats boring as well.

    To be honest I find Hamilton's constant blaming of other drivers excruciatingly boring.
     
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  9. Delete Me

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    Probably be better to ditch Schumi since with regard to his age etc... and I think Nico still has been clearly outclassing Schumi, it's just when the cars been good for him things go wrong like OTT DRS, tyre wear, fuel problems, people crashing into him...
     
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  10. Julius Caesar

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    I think Schumi has done well enough to warent a final year. Paul can till 2013. When who knows what seat might be available.
     
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  11. Delete Me

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    Agreed, was mainly pointing out for future reference etc.. but you get what I mean.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    It just seems very easy and acceptable to start throwing out insults and derogatory comments when it comes to Hamilton... and I wasn't just calling you out. I can accept criticizing his racing, but I just don't see the need to take cheap shots is all.
     
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  13. mephistopheles

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    I know that mate and don't take any notice of some of my other comments on hamilton, like you I don't take to kindly to wums such as Icooper2010
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

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    lol.. Anyway, us Hamilton fans already feel bad enough as it is this year, we don't need to be made to feel any worse :p
     
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  15. mephistopheles

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    You have to remember that the Hamilton fanboys do the real fans (such as you) and Lewis himself a massive disservice.
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

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    Oh, I know... They get on my nerves just as much as the next man. :)
     
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  17. cosicave

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    • Yes, it was "an avoidable accident". All 'accidents' are avoidable before one driver or more makes an error.
    • Both cars suffered damage, causing both to need repairs.
    Mephisto:
    I have read your earlier posts in which you refer to Hamilton as "reckless" amongst other things. However, this mistake was a clear error of judgement after he had given *up* his attempt to pass into the corner and was trying to stay as close as he could in order for the best exit from it. Yes, he made an error. Yes, it had a very unfortunate outcome. But no, it was not "reckless"! It was a small, accidental touch which had consequences far bigger than usual, or to put it another way, it was a racing incident, albeit one with a driver causing what was otherwise an avoidable collision.

    • An 'accident' is more accurately described as a 'collision'.
    • The definition of "racing incident" is what we used to refer to as "an accident": i.e. a non-deliberate collision. This is usually a result of misjudgements or misunderstandings which involve more than one driver, but it is not exclusively so.
    • 'Reckless' involves behaviour without regard for consequences but it does not apply to every incident where there is contact - even if such contact is the result of only one driver's miscalculation.
    Therefore this incident probably qualifies as 'a racing incident' under the normally accepted definition; and of course, they do not usually result in a penalty.

    P.S. As a matter of interest, I regard Schumacher's incident as being a better fit with the definition of 'reckless'. Unlike Hamilton - who had given up the corner but wanted to get the best possible
    exit - Schumacher was going for a non-existent gap at full throttle, off the normal line, on approach a corner; which, had it worked, would have caused him to 'park it' on the apex as a 'block pass', thus requiring avoiding action from his victim.
    So far as I am aware, he has not been punished for such wanton abandon, presumably because he came off worst…
     
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  18. cosicave

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    This is a much better post Mephisto. I think you have made some good points here.
     
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  19. RoadRunner

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    It wasn't actually a puncture that Hamilton got last year which caused him to retire, it was broken front suspension. Sorry, I'm a pedantic person :p
    On the topic of GFs yep Jenson has done much better IMO. Never actually seen Vettel's or Alonso's though.
    Bit off topic so I'll get back on track, I've never particularly been a fan or a hater (I don't hate any drivers) of Hamilton and hadn't really ever made a verdict on him until now. He seems to be talented but seems to let things get to him a bit easy, gets hotheaded easily and really needs to take a good look at the overtakes done by others. Webber, Button and even Vettel can make opportunistic moves stick much better than him and he needs to not be so quick to rush into a situation. However when he's on it he's very quick indeed.
    Stweards decision was completely fair and Massa's reaction IMO completely justified. Hamilton keeps wrecking his races and I think that on it's own is a reason to be angry and feel the need to confront him about it.
     
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  20. cosicave

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    No. I completely disagree Sandwich. Massa's sarcasm was also physical - and actually rather aggressive.

    What happens out on track should be left out on track, and aggressive behaviour off the track is never justified. A collision between drivers invariably leaves both worse off but Massa appears to be taking his clashes with Hamilton personally, as if Hamilton is in some way deliberately 'picking on him', which I hope sensible people will see as the complete nonsense I believe it to be.

    I can understand his frustration - even his anger but Massa should handle himself more professionally; and it was fortunate that Hamilton maintained his composure.
     
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