Wrong, case not closed. How many times have media muppets and fans slagged off Arsenal about not winning anything? We got it too - "Liverpool haven't won anything since 2006" - but as soon as we win something it's not good enough because we didn't get top four. Point me to any posts from top four fan which brags about the number of times they've finished top four. Never once have I heard anybody use it to brag about. It's as sad as the Bitters clinging to finishing above us like a liferaft. Kenny knew we needed silverware more than anything. Werner said they wanted progress this season and we'd had that. They lied. The league is going to get more competitive with more teams fighting for top four so there are going to be more seasons out of it - who'd have thought Chelsea would finish where they did this season? - and if they can't handle it and bleat because a season full of hope didn't earn them an extra 30mill they should get out of the game quickly. Utd got the money for CL qualification and got humiliated by Basle, then Bilbao. I bet the Glazers were well-chuffed but we had a right old laugh at them. From a purely business POV how many shirts did Utd's European campaign sell and how many did the Carling Cup sell? My money's on the cup selling more. Now you can close the case.
Progess can be measured in different ways: We progressed massively in the cup competitions. We fell massively further behind in the league. Would you sacrifice the Carling Cup for a higher league position? If it meant that we secured Champions League position, then I think most of us would happily accept that. Had Kenny finished 5th and not won the league, I have a feeling he would have still been at Liverpool because the owners would have recognised that we are closer to the top 4. Whilst I believe winning trophies is more important, getting CL qualification gives us more revenue to invest in better players, which then makes us more competitive in the long run and gives us a better chance of winning all the cups. Winning the Carling Cup symbolises the short term success that Kenny achieved. Will this Carling Cup give us more money? Will it attract the better players in the world? Probably not, so this doesn't really have that much impact going forward.
Hmm, didn't Birmingham win the League Cup in the year they got relegated? By what stretch of the imagination could you call that progress? The winning of silverware is great, and I was chuffed we took the cup, but that in itself can't be taken as a definite sign of progress. It all has to been seen in context. Clearly we have not improved in the league, and whether or not there has been an overall improvement is open to debate. Personally, I thought our football had improved and only the lack of an efficient strike force prevented us from getting a top four place. I didn't think we were too far off the pace otherwise and I'd have liked to have given it some more time. Apparently the owners thought differently, and in this case it's their decision that matters.
AVB has to be doing that at more than one club, all too often managers can get a great group of players and it just clicks but te coach gets all the credit, look at Arsenal, the team they assembled walked the prem and have not challenged since really. Porto could just have "Worked Out" for AVB, we need a proven coach. Rafa Capello Hiddink someone opf that ilk, not a manager to grow into the job, thats mid table for years for us Liverpool 2009, all the pieces were there, a second run with that team would have brought the title but it all changed at the end of and after 2009, alonso being the huge loss, as much for his skill as the hole it left in a well oiled engine, then masc to Barca and Lucas not ready yet but on the way and Gerrard injured a lot over time. We can see how our midfield, once one of the best in the world, a team that trounced Real Madrid and Man United at OT beat Barca at the Nou has melted away, how quickly we have fallen
IMO avb was not at porto long enough to really get credit for rebuilding them but he did a good job. wenger in 1998 lucked into his team but he rebuilt in for 2002-04. IMO 2009 was a bit of luck as before christmas we were hanging onto chelsea barely and then big phil imploded. Utd fankly were nowhere. the real truth is rafa never backed keane yet it was a few keane goals that kept us in it when gerrard and torres got injured. We lost that league cos we sold keane in january and we lost it by 4 points having drawing to wigan and lost to middlesboro... let be clear it was over before we went and beat then in old trafford. We could have won it but the squad just hadn't got the numbers in the right areas and we also shot ourselves in the foot a bit... there is no might have been in my mind over 2009. we worked hard and won games and were more consistent but we could have been better had we been more fair to players and better managed the one or two key things we needed to. keane and babel for example.
I did think avb would be a great choice, but I feel differently over the past few days. Lampard came out and said avb didnt ever talk to him and give him any confidence. Kalou said they could never achieve what they have under avb. Lukaku said today that he pretty much hates avb for his treatment towards him. I know Chelsea are a team full of scum and only won the two cups by nothing else than pure luck, DiMatteo had nothing to do with it in the slightest and their performances totally devalued the champions league in my opinion, but there is a lot of negativity about avb for some reason. Maybe he isn't a good man manager? Either was Benitez though really...
I remember Rafa being slated for selling Keane but didn't we go on a great run, scoring a shed load of goals since?
Lampard was being phased out, Kalou is a **** player and is lucky to be on the pitch and Lukaku is still a youngster. I suspect AVB gave more time to the players he thought would be starting more games than not.
I dont think he even deserves to be linked to the job and I think he is a proper nutcase that would destroy us in a hurry with his bizzare tactics. I really hope he doesnt get the job.
Laurent Blanc may be available, don't think I could stomach an ex-manc as manager though. Blanc's contract is therefore due to expire at the end of Euro 2012. He is currently free to sign with another team and to start working for them from July.
They didn't like him because he didn't rate them much and didn't play them a lot, that isn't a surprise really.
What qualifies them to make footballing decisions? **** all, they know **** all about the sport, what happened when Benitez was sacked for Hodgson was money men making decisions they were not qualified to do. It cost us massively then and Hodgson set us back about two seasons with his poor purchases and negative tactics. I would not be surprised if the same happens again because we got rid of Dalglish.
The fact they own the club. Whether you, I or anyone else likes it or not, that, my friend, is the end of the matter.
Luckily the majority of the fans did not have your attitude when Hicks and Gillett were in charge. Otherwise we'd probably be in administration sinking with Portsmouth at the moment. Its a poisonous attitude to have that fans have to live with owners decisions and cannot do a thing to change them. FSG are custodians of the club, they do not own it, like every other football club, Liverpool is owned by the fans.
I can't help but feel that we've "done a wolves". We've sacked an (at worst) decent manager that had a poor season, and the realistic replacements are either not any better than Dalglish, or are worse (on paper anyway) it looks like this summer will be full of gambles that will either make us or break us.
This is still the worst decision we made in the modern era. What annoys me most is that Purslow had the audacity to say that we should get him back.
Liverpool target Martinez due to hold talks with Henry in Boston Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ks-Roberto-Martinez-Boston.html#ixzz1vadRJZPB NEXT MANAGER ODDS Roberto Martinez 7/4 Andre Villas-Boas 3/1 Frank Rijkaard 5/1 Brendan Rodgers 5/1 Rafael Benitez 7/1 Fabio Capello 8/1 *Supplied by Oddschecker
don't understand why Rodgers is up there, or Rijkaard, both have ruled themselves out, yet people must still be betting on them, either that or the bookies know something we don't ...
Don't take any notice of it mate. I remember one time when betting was suspended on Ribery joining LFC!! Most random thing ever.
