Thank god ... Back on topic: I wouldn't mind giving avb a chance, as other posters have posted on here, he had no chance at Chelsea did he?
It's an American thing that being sacked means nothing to your next employer as long as they didn't sack you. Here we're maybe less forgiving but I can't see what AVB brings which Kenny didn't. Kenny did better at what AVB was trying to do at Chelsea - phase out the older generation - Kuyt, Maxi, Carra - and give the new younger players games to bring them on. He stuck by Henderson, with much fan whining, in the same way Rafa stuck by Lucas. Rafa was right and so was Kenny. How many fans would've sold Lucas and Skrtel 2-3 seasons ago? Too many. The next guy has to follow a club legend and I think Rafa is the only one who'd get any love to cushion the early days. The first sign of weakness in AVB or Martinez will be jumped on, not least by the media, but by older fans loyal to Kenny and newer, less patient fans who want instant results.
Fair assessment. I think if the board are prepared to back the new manager and give them time (like the fans should do also), they'll go with AVB or Martinez. If they're giving him 20-30mill as reported (questionably) but expecting instant progression, I think they'll go with Rafa as a proven winner who knows half the squad and the liverpool 'way' already. He's a safer option. I'd be fine with whatever decision is made providing the board give time to the next guy, like the fans should do.
in the end i think everyone needs to realise the media stoked things up this week and have moved on. in many ways it may be better henry tlaks to everyone next week than this week but i feel they let themselves down the way things were done. AVB is just one more name.... he can't fix something thats this broken without 300mil and thats a fact.
Why is he too big a risk? He is ready to make that next level. You don't become a top manager by birth. Someone has to give you a chance.
All the more surprising with all the talk that Kenny's PR had a lot to do with his sacking. I heard a guy who worked in US sports business said over there image is everything. So you'd think they'd have figured out you don't just unceremoniously sack a legend like Dalglish and get a free ride over it.
He failed spectacularly at Chelsea. There's no guarantee that the same wouldn't happen here. Sure, our players aren't spoil prima-donas like Chelsea's, but still, would rather go for someone with more experience.
Hiddink is at Anzhi Makhachkala. That Russian club with a lot of money. Can't see him leaving Anzhi. I suspect he's got a rather large transfer budget to play around with and a rather large pay packet! - Back onto AVB, i'm warming to the idea. I think he tried to change everything around too quickly with regards to the 'old guard' at Chelsea and I think he could do a good job here. We've got a solid base of younger players so that could suit AVB. You've got to be a decent manager if you win four trophies and go unbeaten in a season. (Yes, I know what league it was in but still decent!)
He didn't fail spectacularly. He tried to do what someone else is going to have to at Chelsea and got shunned out. Player power is key there - shown by Lampards comment last night. I think he'd be great for us given the chance. He's not damaged goods to me. Especially at the start of his career. Get it right and we have a top manager for years and years to come.
Sorry, what did Lampard say yesterday? And, yeah, you could be right and it could be a success. But AVB could easily turn out like Roy....
Na he miles better than Roy! Lampard was ask to say something positive and negative about Di Mateo. He said "he plays me, otherlike the other guy." Clearly had his say in the matter. AVB is a different calibre to Roy. Havent said that I reckon Roy might do it for the national team. Seems better suited to that format.
I think FSG need to up their learning curve very quickly. Every year they dick around trying the latest corporate structure fad is another year other teams consolidate their advantage over us. We may wake up one August to the realisation that we are indeed a mid table team from now on. Yet again we go into the start of the summer with no one in place to get the gems, the bargains in the transfer markets. How convenient for our owners that they have created another excuse not to spend money at the very time we should be. Our scouts must be banging their heads against a wall in despair. By the time everything is in place we'll have the excuse that the right players are no longer there. We'll have to make do. Oh Martinez will be perfect for that situation won't he? I'm sorry but this lot have in two weeks removed all of my confidence that they know remotely what they are doing. And I don't mean by sacking KD. He failed to meet the agreed target so put himself at risk. The fact that the target was unrealistic is irrelevant once he accepted it when he kept the job last Summer. No, I'm more concerned with the "no promises" team doing exactly the opposite. The "plan" is there, the "experts" are advising. It's the Liverpool way to keep things under wraps. How convenient a philosophy to hide behind if you're making it up as you go along. What experts? What plan is it this time? Well in the absence of communication I'll look at actions. A coalition of business men saw a viable business & global brand going for cheap due to the incompetence of the then owners. We were all busy being grateful simply because they weren't H&G. They aren't a charitable organisation. They didn't do it for the love of "soccer". They did it to make as much money for as little input. They've decided they don't want to build the bigger, 75000 seater stadium; the one plans & permission are already paid for; that would have us compete with the big boys in gate receipts, BUT then they're not sure they want to build the 60000 because the outlay for just 15000 more seats wouldn't be economically viable: why did you throw away the bigger stadium then? Oh they might redevelop Anfield which we all know is a lie. If it could have been done it would already have been done as it is the cheapest option. The economic timing is wrong, well shoot its never going to be right in the next decade. Now they demand champions league football but won't pay for it saying they need the income generated by, wait for it; champions league football. Projected 30 mill budget to get us to the level of Arsenal & Spurs?? Might work but only if we are relying on these teams suffering an exodus rather than the very possible enhancements of their existing squads. I'll give them a couple of weeks even though that might already put us terminally behind for this years competing. If they haven't sorted it all out by then I'll not accept the "Liverpool Way" as a reason for not showing a clear coherent plan because it will be a lie. Am I being negative? Well that's because I'm starting to hear the same old crap & corporate speak i've heard for far too long. Promised land? Fantasy land more like. By all means I'll welcome being wrong; in fact I'll do a little dance in honour of my idiocy.
Remember AVB at Porto? Every one wanted him back then. Chelsea was a tough situation. The situation at Liverpool is very different.
Add to this the fact that AVB hardly seemed particularly adept at handling the media last year will this stand against him also??
AVB is a good young manager who is more than capable of managing LFC. He had a difficult time at Chelsea because he was asked to change the chelsea style i.e play more expansive football and phase out the old guard. Chelsea have the old guard who have a lot of influence at the club. I believe he is tactically very good and tries to play good attacking football. His appeal across Europe is very high and he can definately attract the big players. I fear we will continue to drop down the table if we pick an unproven, lower table manager like Martinez. We need a high profile manager to at least give our current players a lift and show them that we have ambitions. Without Champions League football, our appeal will continue to decline so we need to ensure that we have the best staff and players possible in place now.
