And yet Evra changed his evidence three times, lied on oath about his distaste of

Quick answer:
No.
I think Terry's was about right tbh. Suarez was quite clearly hung out to dry by the FA to show off their anti-racist credentials and give the finger to Sepp Blather.

 

But Evra did this all by himself. By his own admission he translated the Spanish word 'negro' into the French word 'negre', which he then translated into English and came up with '******'. However when he 'checked his position' after the event he realised that the word 'negro' in Spanish does not translate into '******' and said that he was influenced by his knowledge of Italian, where the word 'negre' can be translated into '******'!!!!

My point was in jest but in actual fact just typing these words make me realise how this one point (a very important point in the whole issue) was badly handled by the FA! Why would you ever find it necessary to translate a word from its original language by way of two other languages with a third language used as a reference point??? What has Italian, English or French got to do with a Spanish conversation?

Evra got it wrong initially, he wasn't called '******' in any language, yet this word formed the basis of the initial complaint, and yet the FA accepted the strangulated route taken by Evra to come up with the word '******' as acceptable and even backed up his story by saying his 'understanding of the word' was influenced by his knowledge of Italian [para. 272 of the report]. Whereas what they should have said was that Evra's understanding of the words used by Suarez were mistaken and incorrect, or implausible and contrived to put it another way!

I know there are other factors that need to be taken into account regarding the incident but this one simple point makes Evra an unreliable witness, a point which could possibly have altered their whole stance on the matter considering that throughout the report they constantly refer to Evra's credibility as a witness!

 

Fed up with idiots like you now
Sorry but evra was proved a liar when he called jimmy floyd hasslebank and frank lampard a f......in n.....a on video and let some body record it. I do not need to know any details now as evras whole basis for getting red nose to hold his hand was cause he could not bring himself to use the n word. Proven liar case closed.
Do i believe suarez btw, no i dont it is obvious what was happening, in cricket it is called sledging, and whichever knob head manager was reponsible for brining this whole affair into the public domain deserves sacking as this was always going to happen the players should have had their heads banged together and told not to be so childish end of. Red nose got exactly what he wanted which was suarez out for eight games, wish our managers were that clever and downright devious.
Sir matt busby had my respect as a manager and will always be the greatest manager utd ever had and he always will,be even if sir knobhead wins fifteen euro cups cause the man has no class and continually proves himself to be a raging hypocrite.

 

What did he stand to gain from this?, were Liverpool a threat to United during these eight games or were they more of a threat to United`s rivals in that period? Ask yourself what possible reason United would want Suarez to be banned, he was no threat to us at all after this game and could only serve to help our cause if he was any good.

 

You're not looking at the big picture Diego, he plainly doesn't like Suarez for whatever the reason, it's as simple as that.

But telling us we should sell him after the handshake thing was 'beyond the pale' when he himself never considered getting rid of Kung Fu Cantona after the remake of Enter The Dragon at Selhurst Park.

 

That goes down as one of your most naïve comments ever Diego. Simple answer...Fergie ****ing hates us

As for evra the FA didn't give a **** how credible his story was. They simply needed a witness...any witness so they could build a case against someone to "prove" their anti-racism credentials in the wake of Sepps Blatterisms. This was the FA point scoring on an international scale. The fact that it was point scoring against Blatter AND keeping Fergie happy AND they got to volley LFC in the bollocks (yet again) was a total bonus for them. Then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by giving an Englishman half the ban of the foreign chappy. Racists

 

Looking at this thread I have got a sense of deja vu. It is like being transported a year back in time. Great time travel if you like this sort of thing. All the arguments are just being repeated by the mancs and by us to support Suarez.

No wonder other fans accuse us of wallowing in self pity and that we allow the past to hamper our future.

We all know we got shafted by Evra and the FA. In trying to fight it we made the situation worse. Our club got dragged into the mud and some unwise decisions were made at the top level. Whatever we think that Suarez was not as gulity as the FA proclaimed him to be, the club and Suarez trying to deny it only seemed to make things worse. With the benefit of retrospection, there are many things the club could have done better. The wearing of the T shirt not only by the players but particularly the manager was only one of those that invited ridicule and wide condemnation.

FFS let's move on and look to the future and not fight past battles..

 

Well said, certainly time to move on.
All this he said, she said, is pointless it won`t change a thing.

 

Sorry double post.

 

So by your logic loathsome cretins get automatic 4 match bans? So evra the storyteller gets a 4 match ban every week happy days then.

 

Loathsome cretins eh? What I find loathsome is players who surround the referee/linesmen, so that would be the majority of Man Utd players getting automatic bans.

 

Agreed and players who shag old granny whores or their brothers girlfriend. Truly loathsome individuals.

 

We know

 

Well at least that's closer t the truth now. With respect to Carl, I started the thread because there is a clear link between the FA claiming they've unearthed 'new' cogent evidence that the real courts missed (they haven't) and the evidence THEY missed, and deliberately ignored and misrepresented, and the fact that I was asked to provide evidence that Evra LIED under oath. I have, not that this takes a genius and this is the point - the FA are bigging themselves up as some sort of combination of Rumpole and Perry Mason over a document that was pre-drafted for court*, yet they know a more glaring example of a dissembled statement exists in their own records and have said ....NOTHING on the subject.

So for all the reds fans who, understandandably, want this to go away, every time the FA show their hypocrisy and double-standards it will come out again. And again. No way, just like with Hillsborough, should these ****ehawks get away with their "It's all over and we got it right" self-congratuary dogshit as they want to.

* Had Cole taken something OUT of his statement before court then you would expect suspicision. The idea that the prosecution 'missed' this, and would not have questioned him on it had they thought it 'cogent' is ludicous. Comparing this with a guy whose whole explaination of why he changed his statement three times on what (and how many times) he was called and was seen to contradict this in such dramatic fashion is idiotic.

 

Its almost, almost as if you're ignoring the many, many lies and contradictions in Suarez and the Liverpool players/staffs stories.

But you wouldnt do that now would you donga, that would be like you had an agenda of some sort against Evra, the victim

Good day to you Sir.

 

It's obvious that everybody concerned wriggled to try and cover themselves, but in a way that's the point. Neither side was consistent and reliable and so the only safe verdict was to say there was no conclusive evidence either way and just let it drop, with a warning to all concerned.
The thing that annoys me is that Evra's testimony was no more reliable than Suarez' , but it suited the FA to accept it. No court would ever have done that, as is amply demonstrated by Terry's case.
The FA needed a whipping boy, and Suarez obligingly gave them one, and the media loved it. And they won't let it drop.
It's not really about club loyalties- it's about justice, and the FA's inability to grasp the concept.

 

Evra was never a victim as Evra (with assistance ) contrived and lied. The only thing that he was not guilty of was the gross incompetence of the FA and the media witch-hunt.

 

Evra will find plenty of real racism in the french national team and France its self if wants to find some real racism. Not so long ago the french were not so happy the team was mainly black, never mind coaches referring to team players as black ****s

It still boils down to Evra giving abuse and when he gets some back goes crying to the teacher with an exaggerated story.

Racism?
Why Always Evra?
Why always perceived and not actual racism?
Why lie through the side of your face if you are honestly offended?

If this was a school yard thing, both kids would have been suspended or neither.