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Cityzen said:
Do you work for Prevent? They seems to think ones who have carried out 94% of terrorist attacks are less of a concern than the other 6%.



“Of the 8,778 referrals to Prevent, just 870 were for “Islamic extremism”, compared with 1,798 linked to “extreme Right-wing” ideology and a mere 21 connected to “Left-wing extremism”.
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If a submission is made through the Prevent Programme the submitting organisation is required to state a Type of Concern from a predefined list of categories. That is where the data you quote comes from; it's not generated by the Prevent Programme itself. Over half of referrals are tagged No Identified Ideology.
 
Gone For A Walk said:
It troubles me deeply what is happening and what is being stored up for our future generation. I don't get why some others continue to choose not to see it.
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Because the one's who choose not to see it and either try to shut the conversation down or deflect are the one's that still spout for more immigration and open borders when it's clear to see to anyone with a modicum of common sense the damage migration as caused and will continue to cause in a number of different areas unless it is drastically reversed across all of the Anglosphere/Western countries.
 
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Ernie Shackleton said:
If a submission is made through the Prevent Programme the submitting organisation is required to state a Type of Concern from a predefined list of categories. That is where the data you quote comes from; it's not generated by the Prevent Programme itself. Over half of referrals are tagged No Identified Ideology.
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That’s OK then. Though you have to wonder who is making the referrals and why there seems to be less concern over the group responsible for 94% of terrorist atrocities in this country.
A bit like concentrating on Protestants when the IRA were bombing people.
 
Christophalophados said:
I don't recall such an outpouring of condemnation from the islamaphobe doom-mongers on here, for all the mass shootings in the US where a white man kills lots of people.

All murder is abhorrent, agenda be damned.
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I don’t recall an outpouring of condemnation from the Americaphobes who condemn shootings shootings there but not in instances like Bondi Beach. Though the circumstances are usually different, lone nutter with a grudge murdering indiscriminately on the one hand and organised group targeting people purely because of their religion.
Good to see the word phobia still being misused.
 
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Cityzen said:
I don’t recall an outpouring of condemnation from the Americaphobes who condemn shootings shootings there but not in instances like Bondi Beach. Though the circumstances are usually different, lone nutter with a grudge murdering indiscriminately on the one hand and organised group targeting people purely because of their religion.
Good to see the word phobia still being misused.
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Who hasn't condemned it?
 
Cityzen said:
The ones that concern me are the ones likely to do me harm. And the most likely is one group which have carried out major atrocities in this country. Never felt under threat from any other groups.
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Approximately 108 people have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists in the UK. A truly horrific number.

The IRA have killed over 500 civilians and around 1,000 British security personnel in the UK.

Just looking at the stats you should be more concerned about radical Catholic terrorists doing you harm.

In all seriousness, thank **** the troubles are largely over and we've only one thing on the plate of the security services right now!
 
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Christophalophados said:
Who hasn't condemned it?
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The people who haven’t.
Stockholm Tiger said:
Approximately 108 people have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists in the UK. A truly horrific number.

The IRA have killed over 500 civilians and around 1,000 British security personnel in the UK.

Just looking at the stats you should be more concerned about radical Catholic terrorists doing you harm.

In all seriousness, thank **** the troubles are largely over and we've only one thing on the plate of the security services right now!
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The IRA didn’t kill a lot in England and stopped some time ago. So would be more concerned about suffering harm from another religion than Catholics. They are just as big a set of nutters but didn’t commit atrocities world wide.
 
Cityzen said:
That’s OK then. Though you have to wonder who is making the referrals and why there seems to be less concern over the group responsible for 94% of terrorist atrocities in this country.
A bit like concentrating on Protestants when the IRA were bombing people.
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Almost half of Prevent referrals come from within an education setting. Significant other referrals come from Local Authority settings - mainly social services, also the Police and Prison services. Anyone can make a referral though. The form is readily available online.

It's probable that with over half of referrals being No Identified Ideology that referers are simply reluctant to give a reason for their referrals and this rather waters down the statistics. It's not likely that you suspect a person of being an extremist without having a good reason for your suspicion. A clearer overall picture of what areas of extremism are reported would be gained if this option was removed from the referral form.
 
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Ernie Shackleton said:
Almost half of Prevent referrals come from within an education setting. Significant other referrals come from Local Authority settings - mainly social services, also the Police and Prison services. Anyone can make a referral though. The form is readily available online.

It's probable that with over half of referrals being No Identified Ideology that referers are simply reluctant to give a reason for their referrals and this rather waters down the statistics. It's not likely that you suspect a person of being an extremist without having a good reason for your suspicion. A clearer overall picture of what areas of extremism are reported would be gained if this option was removed from the referral form.
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A lot coming from an education setting explains a lot. Reluctant to criticise one religion but anyone not to the left of Mao is a right wing terrorist even at primary school.
 
Cityzen said:
Do you work for Prevent? They seems to think ones who have carried out 94% of terrorist attacks are less of a concern than the other 6%.



“Of the 8,778 referrals to Prevent, just 870 were for “Islamic extremism”, compared with 1,798 linked to “extreme Right-wing” ideology and a mere 21 connected to “Left-wing extremism”.
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No
 
Yes, we have enough troubles to cope with (although Catholics aren't currently blowing anyone up or doing mass shootings) without choosing to import even more because of the 'suicidal empathy' of ****wits. Why is it so damn difficult for some people to get. What will it take until enough is enough? Murder of your own friends and family?
 
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bystander hailed a hero after he tackled and disarmed one of the gunmen in the Bondi Beach shooting is a shop owner.

The man, named by a relative as 43-year-old Ahmed al Ahmed, was seen in a video running up to the attacker from behind and then grabbing the shotgun from his hands before pointing the weapon back at him.

The footage then showed the terrorist heading towards a bridge where another gunman was located, while the bystander placed the gun beside a tree.

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Image:Ahmed al Ahmed (in a white T-shirt) is seen in a video running up to a gunman from behind
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Image:Mr Ahmed then wrestles with the attacker
Live updates on Sydney shooting

Mr Ahmed, who was wearing a white T-shirt, was shot twice in the incident and was due to have surgery, his cousin, Mustafa, has revealed.

In a video on 7News, Mr Ahmed appeared to have a bloodied arm and hand, and was helped by other people near the scene in the Australian city
 

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Christophalophados said:
I don't recall such an outpouring of condemnation from the islamaphobe doom-mongers on here, for all the mass shootings in the US where a white man kills lots of people.

All murder is abhorrent, agenda be damned.
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Been pondering on this post.
Yes, all such needless murder is abhorrent.
I believe you are choosing to miss the point.
As for Islamaphobe accusations. All too common certain interpretations and consequences of Islam & related ideologies are absolutely vile and have no place whatsoever in our Western / Anglo culture (if anywhere). If that view makes me an Islamaphobe then that's what I unapologetically am. Yes, I fear such ideology that we are importing and allowing to spread right under our noses because of a misguided 'suicidal empathy'. Those that don't see it are incredibly naive or stupid, or both. Im at a loss to understand what it will take for some to finally wake up. Thankfully a groundswell appears to finally now be gathering pace across the West.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Been pondering on this post.
Yes, all such needless murder is abhorrent.
I believe you are choosing to miss the point.
As for Islamaphobe accusations. All too common certain interpretations and consequences of Islam & related ideologies are absolutely vile and have no place whatsoever in our Western / Anglo culture (if anywhere). If that view makes me an Islamaphobe then that's what I unapologetically am. Yes, I fear such ideology that we are importing and allowing to spread right under our noses because of a misguided 'suicidal empathy'. Those that don't see it are incredibly naive or stupid, or both. Im at a loss to understand what it will take for some to finally wake up. Thankfully a groundswell appears to finally now be in motion across the West.
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its not been good for society thats for sure
 
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