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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
1000% agree on that. Ange & Russell Martin are 2 of the biggest frauds in world football
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Ange has won more than most of the managers in the EPL, having won the Europa League in 1.5 years at Spurs. He’s won **** loads elsewhere. Arteta in 6 years has won an FA Cup. Ange also did it with most of his first team out for months and months. Thomas Frank is now winning games with Ange’s players that have now returned from injury, so not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion he’s a fraud?
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
Uefa has granted permission for La Liga and Serie A to stage a game each abroad this winter, meaning European league games will be played on different continents for the first time, in a potentially incendiary move.

The governing body’s go-ahead means that, pending the formality of Fifa approval, Barcelona will face Villarreal in Miami this December in a move that breaks with decades of tradition across the continent. Milan have also been permitted to play Como in Perth, Australia, in February. Uefa, though, claims its go-ahead will not herald a torrent of similar relocations, saying its hands have been tied by gaps in football’s regulations.


In a statement Uefa said it had “reiterated its clear opposition to domestic league matches being played outside their home country”, adding: “However, given that the relevant Fifa regulatory framework – currently under review – is not clear and detailed enough, the Uefa executive committee has reluctantly taken the decision to approve, on an exceptional basis, the two requests referred to it.”
It is the latest contentious step in a saga that has inflamed passions across the sport. Uefa’s executive committee was due to vote on the proposals last month and the Guardian understands it was invited to give its approval. But, amid a backlash from supporters’ groups and criticism from within the European Commission, it opted to engage in a “round of consultation” before reaching a final decision.

The Uefa president, Aleksander Ceferin, sought to allay concerns that the dam has been burst by a move that could change the face of football. “League matches should be played on home soil; anything else would disenfranchise loyal match-going fans and potentially introduce distortive elements in competitions,” he said. “Our consultation confirmed the breadth of these concerns.

“While it is regrettable to have to let these two games go ahead, this decision is exceptional and shall not be seen as setting a precedent. Our commitment is clear: to protect the integrity of national leagues and ensure that football remains anchored in its home environment.”

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The Optus Stadium in Perth is likely to host Milan v Como in February. Photograph: Michael O’Brien/AAP
Senior figures in Uefa believe there was no choice but to take a stance that they believe is pragmatic. High among the considerations was that a legal standoff with the plan’s proponents could have resulted and, should that have been lost, the floodgates could have opened. Uefa said its national associations had agreed to engage with it before submitting any future requests but the sport still looks highly vulnerable to similar scenarios unfolding unless all stakeholders show sufficient appetite to bolt the door.

That was first prised open last year when the US-based promoter Relevent Sports agreed a settlement with Fifa, dismissing the global governing body from a lawsuit contesting its policy banning league games from taking place overseas. Fifa had previously blocked a request from Relevent in 2018 to stage a match between Barcelona and Girona in Miami, although no substantive moves to close any regulatory loopholes appear to have been made in the intervening years. A working group established in 2024 to examine the rules has yet to form any conclusions. This year Relevent was awarded the global commercial rights to Uefa’s club competitions for the 2027-2033 cycle.

Football Supporters Europe acknowledged Uefa’s show of opposition to the principle of hosting domestic games abroad but pressed football’s authorities to rule out any repeat. “The onus is now on Fifa to plug this regulatory gap,” it said. “We welcome Uefa’s commitment to work with Fifa to ensure that future rules uphold the integrity of domestic competitions.”

FSE also urged La Liga and Serie A to withdraw their plans to host games on foreign soil and “act for the greater good of football”.

The Premier League’s stance is that it will not follow La Liga and Serie A in requesting to relocate domestic fixtures.
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No no and ****ing no
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
Uefa has granted permission for La Liga and Serie A to stage a game each abroad this winter, meaning European league games will be played on different continents for the first time, in a potentially incendiary move.

The governing body’s go-ahead means that, pending the formality of Fifa approval, Barcelona will face Villarreal in Miami this December in a move that breaks with decades of tradition across the continent. Milan have also been permitted to play Como in Perth, Australia, in February. Uefa, though, claims its go-ahead will not herald a torrent of similar relocations, saying its hands have been tied by gaps in football’s regulations.


In a statement Uefa said it had “reiterated its clear opposition to domestic league matches being played outside their home country”, adding: “However, given that the relevant Fifa regulatory framework – currently under review – is not clear and detailed enough, the Uefa executive committee has reluctantly taken the decision to approve, on an exceptional basis, the two requests referred to it.”
It is the latest contentious step in a saga that has inflamed passions across the sport. Uefa’s executive committee was due to vote on the proposals last month and the Guardian understands it was invited to give its approval. But, amid a backlash from supporters’ groups and criticism from within the European Commission, it opted to engage in a “round of consultation” before reaching a final decision.

The Uefa president, Aleksander Ceferin, sought to allay concerns that the dam has been burst by a move that could change the face of football. “League matches should be played on home soil; anything else would disenfranchise loyal match-going fans and potentially introduce distortive elements in competitions,” he said. “Our consultation confirmed the breadth of these concerns.

“While it is regrettable to have to let these two games go ahead, this decision is exceptional and shall not be seen as setting a precedent. Our commitment is clear: to protect the integrity of national leagues and ensure that football remains anchored in its home environment.”

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The Optus Stadium in Perth is likely to host Milan v Como in February. Photograph: Michael O’Brien/AAP
Senior figures in Uefa believe there was no choice but to take a stance that they believe is pragmatic. High among the considerations was that a legal standoff with the plan’s proponents could have resulted and, should that have been lost, the floodgates could have opened. Uefa said its national associations had agreed to engage with it before submitting any future requests but the sport still looks highly vulnerable to similar scenarios unfolding unless all stakeholders show sufficient appetite to bolt the door.

That was first prised open last year when the US-based promoter Relevent Sports agreed a settlement with Fifa, dismissing the global governing body from a lawsuit contesting its policy banning league games from taking place overseas. Fifa had previously blocked a request from Relevent in 2018 to stage a match between Barcelona and Girona in Miami, although no substantive moves to close any regulatory loopholes appear to have been made in the intervening years. A working group established in 2024 to examine the rules has yet to form any conclusions. This year Relevent was awarded the global commercial rights to Uefa’s club competitions for the 2027-2033 cycle.

Football Supporters Europe acknowledged Uefa’s show of opposition to the principle of hosting domestic games abroad but pressed football’s authorities to rule out any repeat. “The onus is now on Fifa to plug this regulatory gap,” it said. “We welcome Uefa’s commitment to work with Fifa to ensure that future rules uphold the integrity of domestic competitions.”

FSE also urged La Liga and Serie A to withdraw their plans to host games on foreign soil and “act for the greater good of football”.

The Premier League’s stance is that it will not follow La Liga and Serie A in requesting to relocate domestic fixtures.
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Surprised with Perth and Miami choices, I was expecting Argentina for Italians and any Spanish speaking South American country.
 
SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
1000% agree on that. Ange & Russell Martin are 2 of the biggest frauds in world football
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Bloody hell people get so obsessed with terms like fraud in football and it gets applied so hyperbolically. A serial winner wherever he goes is categorically not a fraud. It may end up being the case that the PL is just a higher level than he can be consistently successful at but that doesn't make him a 'fraud', and mentioning him in the same breath as Russell Martin is just bizarre.

djsowtz said:
Ange has won more than most of the managers in the EPL, having won the Europa League in 1.5 years at Spurs. He’s won **** loads elsewhere. Arteta in 6 years has won an FA Cup. Ange also did it with most of his first team out for months and months. Thomas Frank is now winning games with Ange’s players that have now returned from injury, so not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion he’s a fraud?
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This. And everyone then goes on about how Frank is doing so much better than Ange until it's pointed out that after the same number of games Ange had Spurs first..
 
djsowtz said:
Ange has won more than most of the managers in the EPL, having won the Europa League in 1.5 years at Spurs. He’s won **** loads elsewhere. Arteta in 6 years has won an FA Cup. Ange also did it with most of his first team out for months and months. Thomas Frank is now winning games with Ange’s players that have now returned from injury, so not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion he’s a fraud?
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Ange is an awful manager and a poor tactician. He might get away with it in lesser leagues, but he’s been well a truly found out in the prem.
He finished one place above relegation. He got the the fumbled his way to the Europa league final with an extremely favourable draw. His team then got dominated by the worst Man U team in living memory to glue a win by an own goal with their only attack of the game.
 
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Kevin Francis said:
Ange is an awful manager and a poor tactician. He might get away with it in lesser leagues, but he’s been well a truly found out in the prem.
He finished one place above relegation. He got the the fumbled his way to the Europa league final with an extremely favourable draw. His team then got dominated by the worst Man U team in living memory to glue a win by an own goal with their only attack of the game.
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<laugh> <laugh> <laugh>

Yeah bloke won an Asian Cup with a piss poor Australia side but he's an awful manager and poor tactician. Must have lucked his way through that with a favourable draw too..
 
Is ange is an awful manager and poor tactician

Geez
What must that make our manager
 
I have no idea who and how he managed, what trophys he's won, I just don't like the way he comes across in TV interviews. More psycho killer than man manager.
 
In other news, bang-average Championship midfielder is whinging because he can’t cut it at one of the biggest clubs in Germany and he’s not getting enough minutes.

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I can’t stand the whole family. The father, mother, older brother and now younger brother are some of the most entitled, arrogant tossers going.
 
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cheshireles said:
Playing Postecoglou ball is a bit of a mouthful!
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It’s known as Angeball.

I noticed he had his head down in the interview after the second defeat v Swansea, like he did at Spurs in most interviews last season.
Any confidence he had seems to have gone almost immediately.
I don’t personally see him coming back from it & I expect he’ll be gone by November.
Having said that, I’m still surprised Amorim is still at Utd, he seems to have more ups & downs than a yo-yo.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
What a strange comparison, not least because Walter failed everywhere he went.
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They’re both arrogant, stubborn and lack pragmatism. Saying ‘it’s just who we are, mate’ when you’re getting beat nearly every week isn’t a good enough excuse for a coach, nor is it brave or principled. It’s just stupid. He was sacked by Spurs because they had their lowest league finish in years. He’ll take Forest down.
 
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Kalman II said:
They’re both arrogant, stubborn and lack pragmatism. Saying ‘it’s just who we are, mate’ when you’re getting beat nearly every week isn’t a good enough excuse for a coach, nor is it brave or principled. It’s just stupid. He was sacked by Spurs because they had their lowest league finish in years. He’ll take Forest down.
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His self confidence is born of results, he won a trophy with spurs when they were crying out for one. He could have prioritised the league and finished top ten but he went for the trophy. Lack of pragmatism? Did you watch the Europa final? His players have loved him everywhere he's gone. He's nothing like Walter.
 
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