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Ambition V Realism

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Steven Royston O'Neill, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    You see I knew you and me weren't that far apart Cyprus. Bally is one of my favs from the past 20 years. Not as you say because he was David Beckham but because of the way he went about being a top quality professional footballer at SAFC. His leadership qualities, desire, ambition and will to win are qualities I admire most but above all, it was the honest way he conducts himself and the integrity he portrayed as captain of our club that makes him top man imo.

    I also agree that we may well be a million miles off the top 4 and still a way from the top 6 to be honest but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be there and give our all every season.

    My constant frustrations are born from the apparent lack of a similar ambition from the top to the bottom over the years at the club (I include fans in this as well) and the way some folks just accept failure to easily. Far from accepting 10th as if it were a once in a lifetime achievement never to be repeated, I want up to strive for 9th, 8th or better year on year. When I see decisions or strategies from chairman to manager that I feel are detrimental to that, I go over-the-top sometimes arguing about it. After 36 years of such frustration and god only knows how many 5 year failed plans, patience is wearing thin. Paper thin.

    I'm tired of the promise of jam tomorrow, I want a little bit of that jam today. After all, like the majority on here, I think I've earned it.
     
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  2. The Mackem of Oz

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    I think Villa are better than us.

    They have Gabby Agbonlahor & Darren Bent, who are fast and can score. They have balance on the wings with Alrbighton and N'Zogbia. They also have to full backs who are good, Hutton and Warnock and two defenders who maybe slow but are brilliant at defending. Finally they have 1 of the best keepers in the league.
    In full, I think they have a better team than ours at the minute. One or two signings in January then that could change...
     
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  3. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    I want more than just top 10, if we don't win anything in my lifetime and we just accept that we can go no further than top 10 I'd be distraught!
     
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  4. cuteybuns

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    Reid got us to top 7, and only just got pipped for Europe in the last couple of games of the season. The following year, he got 7th again. The fact is, Liverpool had a great late run under Dalglish last year, but if we'd maintained any decent form after January we were so far ahead that they wouldn't have caught us. We could have been 6th or 7th. this last May. So it's not impossible. What happened to Liverpool last year looks like happening to Arsenal this year - so there's an opportunity for any side hungry enough to go for it.
     
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  5. mitchthemakem

    mitchthemakem Well-Known Member

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    The next 5 years for me are to finish comfortbly in the top 10 playing good football and having good cup runs along the way, I still say the cup is the easiest way into Europe.

    I can see us getting 88 points if they add another 10 teams to the league lol
     
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  6. jerseymackem

    jerseymackem Active Member

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    The Ontological Argument for the existence of God says that if God is a being which no greater can be conceived, and we all have some sort of idea of God, He must exist. If God exists in the mind, it would be greater to exist in reality. Therefore, if we can think of God, He exists. Likewise with this club. There is a club, called Sunderland, which no greater can be conceived. If you conceive of anything else, it is Sunderland, because it is not possible to think of anything greater. Therefore, Sunderland is the greatest club in the world, and we will trounce any other team before we step on to the field. Simples :D
     
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  7. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    Think you may have convinced a few that god does not exsist Jersey, I'm with you but it all started to go wrong with,"we will trounce any other team".
     
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  8. jerseymackem

    jerseymackem Active Member

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    No, but if the team that is greater than any other possible team exists in the mind, it would be greater to exist in reality. This Sunderland team exists, and for ONCE we'll brush off the 5-1 with a cheeky 10-1!
     
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  9. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    I think you may be overdoing the alter wine
     
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  10. cuteybuns

    cuteybuns Active Member

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    I dunno about this stuff. Maybe I'm a bit slow. But it seems to me if God needs an argument making out for him, he ain't as bloody good as we've been told. Does that make sense to anyone? I dunno this stuff.

    Only joking, Jersey.
     
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  11. Rokerlad59

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    Cogito ergo SAFC, young Jersey!!
     
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  12. jerseymackem

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    TBH it's a **** argument, I've just done an essay about it so i can't stop thinking about the ****ing thing!
     
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  13. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    In five years we will be in exactly the same position as we are now fighting it out in mid table for scraps and getting knocked out of the by then Skoda Cup by Forest Green Rovers Womens select XI.
    The best in all honesty we can hope for in the league is 8th. As for Europe unless we sort out the cup hoodoo we have had since SB took over (and from other managers if I'm honest) then we will never make it into Europe, as that is the only way teams like us will do it.
    May seem a bit pessimistic but I'd rather say I'm being realistic.
     
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  14. cuteybuns

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    Never mind how good or bad an argument it is. If it gets you where you want to go, do it. Good luck, mate.
     
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  15. davrosFTM

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    What was in the beginning; nothing or something? Before the earth, the stars, even before matter itself, was there nothing or something?
    Well, you can't get anything from nothing, so SOMETHING was there, in the beginning. "Ah" you might ask, "but where did that something come from?" The answer is simples. That "something" must always have been there, without a beginning, otherwise we're back to the stage where there is nothing...which cannot be. So, we have something which has always been, something which is eternal, without beginning or end, something we call God.........like.
     
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  16. jerseymackem

    jerseymackem Active Member

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    First Cause, or Cosmological argument, by St. Thomas Aquinas <ok>
     
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  17. davrosFTM

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    So...me and Tommys on the same wavelength....cool!!
     
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  18. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    How does anyone know this crap there was nobody there to witness it apparently I'm confused now.
     
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  19. jerseymackem

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    Welcome to my world <ok>
     
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  20. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    It's like that thing with the cat in the box or something, however it all pales into reasoned easiness when confronted with Sunderlands lack of a LB for the last 3 years bring on cold fusion.
     
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