alonso -- one of the drives of the season ?

I tried reading it again but had to come up for air half way through

 

See edit.

 

You're going to have to put it in bold

 

Ok I'll try to generalize less often as it's the only one real way to answer many conversations at one time.




Look! I used to be a good poster on here, I knew when to back off when defeated, I always used to respect the other top 2 drivers fans. But sadly I've been forced to act like this in a more in your face approach as other sides just seem to not give a **** what facts and figures I will bring before them. It's not 100% just the car or Newey for why Sebastian is a double world champion I'm not saying bow before him, but where is the hype credit Alonso and Lewis got when they won?

This forum just seems to be turning into anti Seb brigade and becuase of this year the spotlight is on "team seb" and are ready with the daggers and snipes. Yeah they are not in your face "oh he sucks donkey testicles" but it's like the guy turns "water to wine" but somehow the new fad comes out how it was somebody else's doing for his miracle and start crunching the numbers and driver comparisons.

Here is a comparison to other top sportsmans:

Usain bolt is the fastest runner in the world, even if he has a team of 20-30 people showing how to get the maximum out of himself.

Lionel Messi is regarded the best footballer in the world, though he has other world class players around him and another 30 odd people for his heath.

Sebastian vettel considered a quick driver, but not a racer and all his success is down to one man. He keeps answering the critics with everything they say but they still say it's all the car and nothing else.

In my last post yesterday you may say I sounded paranoid, but I stick by what I read here. People were hoping for this DNF as you could see the difference in confidence and hostility in there writing towards me. I never changed how I wrote from the win in India to the DNF in Abu Dhabi, I said it was a fluke for Lewis, just as I said Lewis deserved the grid penalty in India, yet the responses from people were different.

Its looking more like fans who don't support Jenson or Lewis just won't get the same respect and safeguards as them because like I made my points a day ago, it's ok to bash Seb for his ability but we have rules and regulations for judging Lewis because a few people will get upset and start a flame war.

There used to be 3-4 vettel fans on here but sadly they all went, same with the Fernando ones and the Schumacher.

You can call Schumacher and Alonso a dirty scummy cheater and Seb a paper champion and noting will happen. But the second you touch the golden boys it's game over for this post as it's showed many times in the past because mods deem it worthy of the ban hammer.

Until Seb gets the respect he deserves, the likes of me on other forums will start acting the same and become more and more hostile towards you. (This isn't a threat towards you I just won't play ball anymore and not pull punches)

It's mostly (not all, but it is you) the Lewis fans as they are the ones who keep saying vettel should revolve around a Lewis mindset and somehow decide overtaking is 99.9% of a world champion material.

Funnily enough Alonso fans are very quiet on all forums, not because of the car though. They seem to have the respect for most topflight to a degree.

I'm not sure if this is because of the success of this year or the constant defending I have to do for a man I have never met in person. Sadly I don't get paid for it, but still... It's getting very boring to do so and I believe you have the choice to expand the forum to other drivers fans. Or just stick to your homeboys and just keep nodding up and down talking about the same 2 drivers, over and over and over and over and over and over....and saying how fantastic they are, though I sure as hell won't be part of it.



So the question is for the whole forum on here...

Do you want an open forum where everybody is respected, or are we only going to give respect and rights of FULL! opinion to only British drivers and fans.

 

[Off topic fun continued]

OK.
It needs an adjustment towards the end of the long sentence, because an opinion cannot have an opinion. Here is your original, beautiful explanation without adjustment:

And here are two suggestions for what I see as a necessary adjustment of syntax in the final part of that sentence: (replacing "…opinion's opinion")

' … but then it is down to the opinion of that person whether their opinion is any more or less credible than another person's opinion. ' [Here "opinion's" is simply removed]

But if you want an opinion on how best to use the extra opinion you actually wanted, here's mine (and it needs the insertion of ' in '):

' … but then it is down to the opinion of that person whether in their opinion, their opinion is any more or less credible than another persons opinion. '

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Ha! What fun for a Friday night eh?
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nerd...

 

[Off-topic]

Labeller.

But thanks anyway Sam; that was the fun of it, which is why it was 'off-topic'. Glad you didn't appreciate the subtlety, but not surprised in the least.

 

My adolescent humour

 

Cool.

 

Has anybody really been slamming Vettel? Because I really haven't seen it if that is the case.

I think that most people on here are of the opinion that he's been totally untouchable this season... Yes a portion of that is the car, but that's the same for pretty much any champion. Is there an example of a driver winning a WDC with a naff car? (And when I say naff, I don't mean in the top 2 or three.) That's what he's meant to do... He's worked hard to get in machinery of that caliber, and when he got it... he's taken it and done an almost faultless job with it. Nobody can take that away from him, but people are going to debate who is the best driver, who might have done better given that car and all have very differing views. What's really annoying about a discussion like that is that nobody can ever be right because we can't have all the top drivers in one car to see once and for all, hence why people make their own judgments.

As for car designers. All of them are capable of building howlers, even Newey... But not all of them are capable of building world beaters like Newey is. The RB7 has been the class of the field this year but that doesn't take anything from Vettel's achievements. As a Hamilton fan, I really wouldn't care how good the car had been if he'd just had a season like Vettel's... I'd be doing back flips.

Edit:
Removed a second Hamilton reference to prevent Westy's law from engaging again.

 

Nice one Bhaji.

It seems to be the nature of debate in an internet forum, for opinions to become polarized very quickly.
This leads to ever greater variation from the crux of the matter, leaving untidy and often irrelevant side-issues where some try to 'back-up' their original standpoint, often by reference to some convenient, so-called 'FACT'. This often leads to frustration on 'both sides' (of whatever the original discussion was), with both trying to prove the unprovable by throwing in ever more spurious sub-arguments, which leads to further frustration; and inevitably leads nowhere.

 

Silver: '
Look! I used to be a good poster on here'..

Really? - must have missed that.

 

slow down silver

in comparison to the old bbc 606 people here are alot fairer and objective about the foreign drivers so we should be thankful for small mercies ,
in fact compared to some of the biggoted clowns on the old bbc 606 people here at least listen to the opinions of others instead of just insulting you if you dont worship whatever english driver especially hamilton as they did -

you are allways going to have a slight bias towards the english drivers on any english based forum such as this one as it goes with the territory i am afraid ,
however lets have it right in general people here have been fairly complimentry towards vettel ,

however you also have to accept that some of our fellow patriotic buds on here would rather suck on a dog turd than admit that maybe just maybe the red bull and mclaren in general have been fairly evenely matched when you throw webber into the equasion,
and horror of horrors just maybe vettel since his first WDC win has evolved into a more complete and intelligent driver and has driven at a much higher level than hamilton and button all season -

however you are not alone bud , i also think vettel and vettel alone has made the difference between mclaren and red bull this year -

cheer yourself by reading this link as somebody with a 24 carot background at the sharp end in formula 1 also thinks vettel is very special --

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b94fq

 

next !!!

 

I wonder if he's signed a deal - £5 commission for every time he posts the link? Could be worth a fortune!

 

I like apples.

 

why ---- does it wind you up to think that -- horror of horrors , somebody might be involving into a better driver than hamilton --

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b94fq

 

to be honest i dont think the drive was as good as everyone says it was, if alonso felt it was extremely good then he would have said so like in spain this year when he qualified 4th and he said it was the best lap that he ever did and it was because he was only about 3 or 4 hundreths away from hamilton if i can remember correctly.

drive of the season? well to be honest, what did he really do, he kept up with hamilton and put on a little preassure. race pace and qualifying pace are completely different things , in practice alonso was always close to the top, granted when it came down to the faster qualifying laps his car didnt have the pace, but for the practice race laps he was always close.

practice 1: 6 tenths away from top (half a tenth away from vettel)
practice 2: 4 tenths away from top (above both redbulls)
practice 3: 4 tenths away from top (1 and a half tenths away from button)

he was never out of it completely and it may look like from practice he didnt have enough, but he was always close to one of the top runners.

forza ferrari, you just add in a few unbiased comments mixed with outright blind favouritism in your comments to be honest i think that you are just a fanboy

 

I think the poster was referring to your repeated use of the same quote.

 

"alonso -- one of the drives of the season ?"

Presumably there were other drives of the season and Alonso's was just one of them?

He passed Button.

Barrichello passed half of the field.